The error stat is wrong for a start, J Tomkins knocked on in the 2nd half.
Plus Westwood's metres were made up the middle of the park where as J Tomkins were mostly in the centres as he spent most of the game hiding there and doing it really well, as he was hardly noticed.

Not surprising stats to be honest. Westwood puts in the work but he still concedes too many penalties IMO. His needless penalty for holding down gave the Aussies the opening try.

Sam Tomkins? did he do anything? I thought he was the weapon to set England alight.
Widdop could not have done less than tomkins.

Picked them 2 due to some of the ratings Joel seems to be getting. He was just as good as the "NRL superstar" that is Ellis. Westwood has been top quality the last two games i have no problem with saying that and im not saying Joel was as good as Westwood because he wasnt just stating he wasnt as bad some seem to be suggesting.

Westwood was at fault for the 1st try was he? i didn't see him run the ball out of play when it was near enough dead like Tomkins did from Lockyer's grubber gifting the aussies another set of 6, and i didn't see him leave a huge hole for Luke Lewis to run through like Cudjoe did.

Joel Tomkins will be an international backrower, it's just way too early for him. Give him another year and he might be up to the physicality of it and the discipline required in defense.

I spent all game hoping to see his special move, the kick to the head of the ball carrier at the PTB. I was praying for it a few times.

Debatable, I think Goulding was at more fault. Briscoe as well. Both Wings were poor, and get this - Little Sam Tompkins is out of depth there. Get him to an NRL club fast. We need a full back thats bulkier than him.

He was only as good as the stats tell you-Do you agree there was a difference with regards to performance between the 2 accepting the stats look similar.

Would you also agree that Joel is not Int standard accepting he was as bad as Ellis if that helps you with your pie eyed decision making?

I said it after the last test. This one underlined it.

Sam Tomkins is neither big enough nor quick enough to trouble the Aussies at FB or SO. Fifteen years ago he'd have had a field day. But in this age of supergiant sprinters he's massively out-gunned.

Slater is hardly the Hulk!!!!! but a brilliant FB. Size only matters in the bed, dont believe what you read!

There's a famous little song that sums Ryan Atkins up completely:

[i"I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain"[/i

McNamara must have been ripped on acid when he scrawled his name on the teamsheet.

Made me lauch anyway

I have seen this cr*p written about cudjoe by a few people. Do they know nothing about defending in RL?

Cudjoe was not hesitant defending this play. Quite the contrary. He showed good line speed and moved up quickly on Tonga. He made the mistake of trusting that his inside defender would move up as quickly and close down Lewis. Sadly the inside defender was appallingly slow and did not even attempt a meaningful tackle leaving a gap. from that point on he is left wondering whether his inside defender will do his job. (Later Cudjoe shoud have contested the loose ball more aggressively)

Correct on both counts.

Agreed it was O'loughlins fault and hes normally rock solid defensively.

Too true.

Some people think Tom Briscoe can do no wrong when for the 2nd week running he did sweet FA. How people can give him a better rating than Goulding is beyond me. Briscoe made 3 runs the entire game ffs and was at fault for tries. 3 runs for a wingers is shocking.

Goulding did nothing wrong, bar 1 knock on when the ball was actually stripped, and wasnt at fault for any tries. Goulding won 2 penalties with clever dummy half runs, one of which led to a try, made more than twice as many runs as Briscoe and more than twice as many metres whilst also making more tackles. Indeed Goulding made more metres than any other back. This is despite being injured for most of the second half. Goulding was also much better than Briscoe last week.

It was his fault up to a point - does not help when he is played out of position!

Goulding and Atkins should'nt get anywhere near a International set up again. Cudjoe might be lucky to get called up.

Ben Harrison looked fat and slow tonight, maybe carrying a injury ?

We losed the game with our kicking game once again, if only we had Sinfield and Eastmond fit.

Famous-Do you see everything through cherry and white hoops?

Cite/criticise individuals all you want. The simple fact of the matter is individually, and collectively we aren't good enough for multiple reasons.

Not at all, I suppose the stats are lying though, after all its a Wigan player

He came out of the line and created the hole that Lewis ran into. They didn't go up in a line because of him. He was too quick and at fault. If he was over here, he'd have had a new arséhole ripped out of him for doing that by the coaching staff.

I'd love to see Westwood,Graham and Crabtree spend some time in the NRL. With decent coaching and a proper fitness regime they could be world class. The rest of them, not even close.

Putting the (serious) video mistakes to one side, the truth is that whilst we've been able to field a reasonably competitive forward pack for the last four years it has never been supported by the backs. They've been letting us down for ages with Ryan Atkins being the lowest ebb to date. Until we start producing proper attacking full-backs, big and speedy centres (with brains) and at least one half capable of scything through the defensive line we're done for.

I think you miss the point Famous-I had moved on from your first defence of Wigan players to the defence of Goulding- Which Wigan player will you be defending next? Were there any other clubs represented on the pitch?