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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Clubs are meant to be reducing their number of overseas players, yet HKR will have gone up 2 for 2011?
I don't have a huge problem with it myself, but the RFL need to grow a pair. If they going to put rules in place, make them proper ones, not ones with hundreds of loopholes.'"
There is growing a pair and there is leading with the chin. The RFL needs to avoid legal challenges from players whose livelihoods the rules could threaten.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"There is growing a pair and there is leading with the chin. The RFL needs to avoid legal challenges from players whose livelihoods the rules could threaten.'"
The RFL should have hired a good legal team when they came up with this idea - now it just seems half baked.
IIRC it was HKR who opened the loophole so they could keep Stanley Gene on the books. I thought it only applied to players already in SL at the time of the new rules being introduced. Has anything changed?
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| 2 pages down 30 to go Iam sick of all this anti kr c@&p a thread about someone signing turns into this get a life for gods sake we are doing what every other team would do bending the rules it might not be right but get over it
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Non English former NRL players then. As of this season the figure was about the same as the population of Wales.'"
Wigan had 4 non-euro players in the GF 17.
Carmont, Tommy (the two that started)
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Feka and Riddell (off the bench)
i think you will find that is one less than saints did.
again, i dont think its fair to include richards in that just because he is irish, not english.
anyway, bring on your next way to insult wigan, sooner or later you will see the light. the whole idea about not having overseas players is to make the england side better, but 6 of the england squad came out of wigan. now correct me if im wrong, but doesnt that mean one out of every four players in the squad came from the wigan youth setup.
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| Quote ="jimlav"Wigan had 4 non-euro players in the GF 17.
Carmont, Tommy (the two that started)
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Feka and Riddell (off the bench)
i think you will find that is one less than saints did.
again, i dont think its fair to include richards in that just because he is irish, not english.
anyway, bring on your next way to insult wigan, sooner or later you will see the light. the whole idea about not having overseas players is to make the england side better, =#FF0000but 6 of the england squad came out of wigan. now correct me if im wrong, but doesnt that mean one out of every four players in the squad came from the wigan youth setup.'"
Why were some of these future England players released by Wigan then?
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"The RFL should have hired a good legal team when they came up with this idea - now it just seems half baked.
IIRC it was HKR who opened the loophole so they could keep Stanley Gene on the books. I thought it only applied to players already in SL at the time of the new rules being introduced. Has anything changed?'"
Nope, nothing's changed. Hull KR will conform to the requirements for quota players and home grown players in their SL squad.
Nothing to see here, move along.
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| Quote ="Wadski"Why were some of these future England players released by Wigan then?'"
Would Robinson get in the Wigan side? No.
Would Kevin Brown? Probably just about.
Kevin Brown is the only player Wigan have released that I would want back in the side. Was there any truth to the rumours we nearly signed him for next year before he signed his new contract?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"It's not their fault, they couldn't develop any youth players while they were out of SL apparently...'"
Wrong, the truth been that because Hull FC were a much, much bigger club for many years they got the pick of all the good local talent. HTH.
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| Quote ="MacBlondie"What a joke.
I take it Aussie Rejects KR are exempt from the rules that everyone else has to adhere to with regards over seas signings?'"
No, that's just been silly.
'Aussie Rejects' - strange consider Galea and Newton were both in the 2009 SL Dream Team, and Dobson (by been in the Dream Team in 08 & 09) has been the best scrum-half in SL the last 2 years.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"09 and 10 roofs.'"
Oh yeah, sorry.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Would Robinson get in the Wigan side? No.
Would Kevin Brown? Probably just about.
Kevin Brown is the only player Wigan have released that I would want back in the side. Was there any truth to the rumours we nearly signed him for next year before he signed his new contract?'"
Did he sign for you?
Robbo wouldn't get in because you have Leuleui - an import - hence my point.
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| I would love to see JB Down Under's opinion on this signing, & the number of overseas players, if it wasn't Hull KR involved
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| Quote ="Wadski"Did he sign for you?
Robbo wouldn't get in because you have Leuleui - an import - hence my point.'"
...so Wigan should have the worse Brit, and Huddersfield would have...who exactly? McNally?
How dare Wigan develop so many players. Who said you have to keep them once you develop them? Nobody. With a bit more time there will be a few more successes from smaller clubs, like how well Huddersfield have done this year.
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| In the last three years the overseas quota has dropped from 10 to 5, there was a reported 97 nrl trained players in sl last season.
I wonder how many for 2011?
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| Quote ="Wadski"Did he sign for you?
Robbo wouldn't get in because you have Leuleui - an import - hence my point.'"
Brown wouldn't get in the side ahead of Tommy.
I said was their any truth in that he "nearly" signed.
What is your point again?
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Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"Just had a quick look on www.slstats.org/ at their foreign contingent since SL:
2007: 15
2008: 12
2009: 10
2010: 8
2011: 10
That's made up of about 24 different players.'"
Reduced by a third from 2007 to 2011, pretty good going. Good spot mate.
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Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"Just had a quick look on www.slstats.org/ at their foreign contingent since SL:
2007: 15
2008: 12
2009: 10
2010: 8
2011: 10
That's made up of about 24 different players.'"
Reduced by a third from 2007 to 2011, pretty good going. Good spot mate.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Brown wouldn't get in the side ahead of Tommy.
I said was their any truth in that he "nearly" signed.
What is your point again?'"
Imports over developing your own talent.
On one hand you bag England selections then on the other you totally miss the point over your own teams choices for imports over English.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Reduced by a third from 2007 to 2011, pretty good going. Good spot mate.
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On the other hand, you could argue a 25% increase from the 2010 number to the 2011 number. Depends how you wish to look at it
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| Quote ="Wadski"Imports over developing your own talent.
On one hand you bag England selections then on the other you totally miss the point over your own teams choices for imports over English.'"
Again, Wigan do develop talent.
They don't have to stay in Wigan to be developed, they can become good players elsewhere like Brown, Robinson. Just because you pay them and we have what we feel is better, doesn't mean they are Huddersfield doing their bit for England. Huddersfield didn't bring them through.
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| Quote ="Panda92"On the other hand, you could argue a 25% increase from the 2010 number to the 2011 number. Depends how you wish to look at it
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I prefer Barnacle's way.
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| At first glance, i thought this thread was about some disgruntled Celtic FC fan spray painting a "welcome to Hull" sign.
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You could have said/ probably did say the same when announcing signings of Kirk Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Ryan Esders, Frankie Mariano, Scott Spaven, Lee Gomersall, James Haynes etc. Clubs have to have a certain number of homegrown players on the books under the franchise rules. Cheerleading Rovers meeting these minimum requirements as a sign of a brave new world of Rovers' squad being built around a nucleus of homegrown players is getting a bit giddy in this context.
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You could have said/ probably did say the same when announcing signings of Kirk Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Ryan Esders, Frankie Mariano, Scott Spaven, Lee Gomersall, James Haynes etc. Clubs have to have a certain number of homegrown players on the books under the franchise rules. Cheerleading Rovers meeting these minimum requirements as a sign of a brave new world of Rovers' squad being built around a nucleus of homegrown players is getting a bit giddy in this context.
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| Galea
Webster
Newton
Dobson
Green
Vella
Mason
Thats 7 overseas players who definately shouldent be off quota. The rule for next year is 5.
Sick to death of this! Give English a chance Hull KR FFS!
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