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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"[uFine, if Tomkins deserved red then what did Mcguire deserve? [/uOr is this the usual anti Wigan crap? and what about Lauitiiti, or again do we just focus on and bitch about Wigan???'"
You are trying to defend the indefencible by bringing McGuire into your weak argument. Tomkin deliberately aimed a kick at McGuire whilst he was on the floor, a cowardly act which should have been rewarded with a red card, and he can thank McGuire for not making a meal of it and the ref for not having the b*ll*x to send him off.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Should he have gone or at least 10 for that ?
And their fans called[u Mason dirty [/u!!'"
Because that is what he is.
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| Quote ="chissitt"You are trying to defend the indefencible by bringing McGuire into your weak argument. Tomkin deliberately aimed a kick at McGuire whilst he was on the floor, a cowardly act which should have been rewarded with a red card, and he can thank McGuire for not making a meal of it and the ref for not having the b*ll*x to send him off.'"
Im not trying to defend the indefencible, im not even arguing that Tomkins shouldnt have been punished, so how the hell its a weak argument i'll never know. Its a fair point, alot of you are crying into your cereal demanding Tomkins should have gone, but im not seeing anyone arguing that McGuire should be punished or Lauitiiti. Im sorry if this forces you to focus on more than one incident as biased fans like you hate that, you only like to focus on something a Wigan player did.
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"Im not trying to defend the indefencible, im not even arguing that Tomkins shouldnt have been punished, so how the hell its a weak argument i'll never know. Its a fair point, alot of you are crying into your cereal demanding Tomkins should have gone, but im not seeing anyone arguing that McGuire should be punished or Lauitiiti. Im sorry if this forces you to focus on more than one incident as biased fans like you hate that, you only like to focus on something a Wigan player did.'"
The thread is about Joel Tomkins. However distasteful some of Leeds antics were, nothing else that happened in the game alters the fact that he intentionally kicked an opponent.
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| To be fair to Tomkins he was simply reacting to the two elbows he copped from McGuire. Not the ideal way to react, but the penalty he conceded ultimately had a bearing on the result. I thought the game was quite niggly at times and was amazed it got into the last ten minutes before it boiled over.
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| Quote ="Bonzo"To be fair to Tomkins he was simply reacting to the two elbows he copped from McGuire. '"
Didnt Radford get sent off for just doing the same thing though...(against another Leeds player...)
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| Quote ="Code13"Didnt Radford get sent off for just doing the same thing though...(against another Leeds player...)'"
Yes he did, although it seems a bit of chopsocky is less worthy of a penalty...whohohoho, whohohoho, everybody was....
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"Fine, if Tomkins deserved red then what did Mcguire deserve? Or is this the usual anti Wigan crap? and what about Lauitiiti, or again do we just focus on and bitch about Wigan???'"
Tomkins was an act of malice, kicking out at an opponent. Whereas McGuire was a professional foul. Chalk and cheese! Tomkins should have walked (Or carried if McGuire wasnt a sh*thouse and got up and stuck one on him) and McGuire should have got 10 minutes
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| The refereeing inconsistency is pathetic. If he can see enough of the incident to penalise Tomkins how can he justify not sending him off?
Disgraceful play whether he hurt him or not. Coward.
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| Quote ="SFW"The refereeing inconsistency is pathetic. If he can see enough of the incident to penalise Tomkins how can he justify not sending him off?'"
The same way he can decide that Donald wasn't late on Richards then cave in and change his decision on the basis of the touch judge and VR persuading him he was wrong. No arguments with that last play resulting in Wigan getting a penalty, but it should have been back on their own 40 where McGuire pulled Carmont back.
Until Alibert grows a pair and has the confidence to back his own decision making he shouldn't be operating at the top level I'm afraid.
As for Tomkins, until the pair of them rein in their egos and realise that other people are allowed to touch them without it being a penalty neither will live up to their promise.
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| Quote ="Channel Islander"If it was Bailey, there would be 15 pages already.'"
Don't be silly Ryan Bailey is a total thug and his stats this year prove it. 19 Penalties given away compared to Joel's 33 penalties and 2 yellow cards...oh wait. Infact you have to go back to 2008 for him to have a higher penatly count than Joel. I'm sure it will all be put down to Bailey been a cheapshot merchant who runs away etc etc etc
Joel should of got 10 for the kick out. Mags accidently hit him with the elbow while spinning. Then something was obviously said between them resulting in Mags pushing out with his arm. It should only get a warning for future conduct, but they might take his discipline record into count.
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| Quote ="Bonzo"To be fair to Tomkins he was simply reacting to the two elbows he copped from McGuire. Not the ideal way to react, but the penalty he conceded ultimately had a bearing on the result. I thought the game was quite niggly at times and was amazed it got into the last ten minutes before it boiled over.'"
Have you ever played RL? McGuire's elbow was totally accidental and happens a lot of tackles. This is RUGBY LEAGUE
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| Quote ="Channel Islander"Have you ever played RL? McGuire's elbow was totally accidental and happens a lot of tackles. This is RUGBY LEAGUE'"
McGuire should be grateful it wasn't Ben Thaler in the middle - his elbow was about as deliberate as the one Mark Bryant got penalised for in the Crusaders game.
The RFL desperately needs to try to get referees involved who have played the game at a reasonable level and understand why things happen as opposed to just reacting to the crowd/players around them all the time.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"
The RFL desperately needs to try to get referees involved who have played the game at a reasonable level and understand why things happen as opposed to just reacting to the crowd/players around them all the time.'"
For some reason i just got the image of Barrie McDermott in a ref uniform. As soon as it kicked off i don't think he'd be in there trying to break it up
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| Quote ="Bonzo"To be fair to Tomkins he was simply reacting to the two elbows he copped from McGuire. '"
Any advances on two elbows? Do I hear three anywhere?
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| Joel has been cautioned along with Tuson, and Buderus has been charged with a grade A offence.
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"Joel has been cautioned along with Tuson, and Buderus has been charged with a grade A offence.'"
Spear tackle on Wigan player - charged.
Spear tackle by Wigan player - caution.
Yeah, that's consistency for you.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Spear tackle on Wigan player - charged.
Spear tackle by Wigan player - caution.
Yeah, that's consistency for you.'"
and who has ever said the RFL are consistant???
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"The thread is about Joel Tomkins. However distasteful some of Leeds antics were, nothing else that happened in the game alters the fact that he intentionally kicked an opponent.'"
Barnacle, how about Seniors kick in the face on Tomkins earlier in the season?
What Tomkins did was stupid but it was a girly kick anyway. Ref did exactly the right thing.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Barnacle, how about Seniors kick in the face on Tomkins earlier in the season?'"
You mean the one where Senior was trying to free his legs to play the ball, was facing in completely the opposite direction to where Tomkins was, and caught him with the boot?
I can see why you would regard that as being comparable to standing up and kicking a grounded player, no really I can...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder":qzt34n1aSpear tackle on Wigan player - charged.
Spear tackle by Wigan player - caution.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Barnacle, how about Seniors kick in the face on Tomkins earlier in the season?'"
Just wait there while I find some straws for you to clutch at.
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| Quote ="V For Vendetta"Committed Late tackle on Wigan player - Penalty
Committed late tackle on Leeds kicker - Sin Bin [Farrell in cup game
Committed tackle whilst player sill in possession on Leeds player - Sin Bin [Coley in Leeds away game'"
2 tackles of the same nature (One on Eastwood worse imo) and only one gets brought before the MRP?
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| Come on lets be serious here.From where i was it looked purly accedental when McGuire caught Tomkins in the process of the tackle
. and Tomkins 'Kick' bit girly there.The wife can pack abetter one than that!!!!, had he hit him with a proper kick McGuire would have played that for all it was worth. No need for a yellow card the kick was a soft one , but I bet the losing pay hurt Joel more. nough said.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Barnacle, how about Seniors kick in the face on Tomkins earlier in the season?
What Tomkins did was stupid but it was a girly kick anyway. Ref did exactly the right thing.'"
I think Senior was reckless and should have been penalised (the injury to Tomkins is evidence why), it's one thing struggling to get up and play the ball it's another to lash out with the legs in the exaggerated way that he did. But whatever it was, it was not an aimed kick (however girlie) at an opponent.
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