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| Quote ="Gaslight"What irks me most about Crusaders is the fact they dropped the young Welsh FB (who is a good player) for Schifoske who's like 40, that Welsh prop, Flower is it? looked good against England and didn't get a sniff this year, why not play these lads instead of signing Aussies who are 30+?'"
The young fullback may be a good player but i've seen Schifoske play for Crusaders this year when they played down here against us.
He has a lot of skill, he will teach the young fullback alot while he is at Crusaders.
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| Quote ="Spongolium"Love it. I can deal with bitter angry fans all day. It's brilliant, because it means that we are doing something right. Crusaders played by the rules, and in their second season, have knocked "heartland" clubs out of the play-offs.
Can Castleford show me where all of these promising british players are in their team too? And i mean in the first team, not the reserves. As our reserves are pretty damn stocked with welsh talent.
Hey ted is in here, laters ted you loser. Same to you broster, you are still a joke, and poor old gaslight. Who resorted to slagging off the crusaders when he noticed that we might have a franchise over them. Thanks mate, see you next year mwhahahaha!!!'"
You are the perfect example of a johnny come lately rugby fan. No perspective for what "heartland" clubs have done in the numerous years they have existed before your plastic charade of a club has flitted from one end of wales to another. Yet again, the 2 lowest crowds of the week were Harlequins and the nomads. Viva expansion. Enjoy your one extra game this season.
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| Quote ="Spongolium"Can Castleford show me where all of these promising british players are in their team too? And i mean in the first team, not the reserves. As our reserves are pretty damn stocked with welsh talent.'"
Richard Owen
Michael Shenton
Joe Arundal
Jordan Thompson
Craig Huby
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Jonathan Walker
Joe Westerman
Nathan Massey
+ Brett Ferres is from Cas, as well as other English players: Kirk Dixon, Michael Wainwright, Ryan Hudson and Steve Snitch, Paul Jackson
Have all played first team this year, most of them getting regular game time, then there's probably one or two I forgot somewhere.
That leaves Chase, McGoldrick, Sargent (who's going home), Widders and Evans (oft injured, probably getting released) as overseas.
Next year Cas trained Danny Orr is back + Richard Mathers, Jake Emmitt and Nick Fozzard (rumoured) to be in bringing in more English players with only Youngquest coming in for the quota.
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| Gosh this news that the crusaders made the top 8,has overtaken yawnion for the first time.
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| Quote ="broster44"You are the perfect example of a johnny come lately rugby fan. No perspective for what "heartland" clubs have done in the numerous years they have existed before your plastic charade of a club has flitted from one end of wales to another. Yet again, the 2 lowest crowds of the week were Harlequins and the nomads. Viva expansion. Enjoy your one extra game this season.'"
I've been a fan of the saints since I was born. There goes your johny come lately fan. Was 5200 the lowest crowd of the week? guess that's a good sign for rugby league then.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Richard Owen
Michael Shenton
Joe Arundal
Jordan Thompson
Craig Huby
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Jonathan Walker
Joe Westerman
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+ Brett Ferres is from Cas, as well as other English players: Kirk Dixon, Michael Wainwright, Ryan Hudson and Steve Snitch, Paul Jackson
Have all played first team this year, most of them getting regular game time, then there's probably one or two I forgot somewhere.
That leaves Chase, McGoldrick, Sargent (who's going home), Widders and Evans (oft injured, probably getting released) as overseas.
Next year Cas trained Danny Orr is back + Richard Mathers, Jake Emmitt and Nick Fozzard (rumoured) to be in bringing in more English players with only Youngquest coming in for the quota.
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You missed off John Davies from your list, who has played this season, and Billy Harris, who has just been given a full-time professional deal too.
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| Quote ="Spongolium"I've been a fan of the saints since I was born. There goes your johny come lately fan. Was 5200 the lowest crowd of the week? guess that's a good sign for rugby league then.'"
no 3200 in london. fan of who since you was born?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Richard Owen
Michael Shenton
Joe Arundal
Jordan Thompson
Craig Huby
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Jonathan Walker
Joe Westerman
Nathan Massey
+ Brett Ferres is from Cas, as well as other English players: Kirk Dixon, Michael Wainwright, Ryan Hudson and Steve Snitch, Paul Jackson
Have all played first team this year, most of them getting regular game time, then there's probably one or two I forgot somewhere.
That leaves Chase, McGoldrick, Sargent (who's going home), Widders and Evans (oft injured, probably getting released) as overseas.
Next year Cas trained Danny Orr is back + Richard Mathers, Jake Emmitt and Nick Fozzard (rumoured) to be in bringing in more English players with only Youngquest coming in for the quota.
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I asked for first team players, not players that have played 20 minutes off the bench in a call up. God you heartlands teams love doing that. Ah yes, Johnny from down the road played the last 10 minutes of game 2 in the season. Bringing through the youngsters see, it's a bit of a farce really.
Welsh Players, playing in the crusaders this season.
Elliot Kear - played early in the season, looks to be a lock next year.
Ben Flower - played in a number of games this year
Gareth Thomas - played most of the season before injury
Lloyd White - first call up in injury to half backs
Luke Dyer - played all season
Jordan James - played all season
Anthony Blackwood - Now transferred
Rhys Hanbury - Will be Qualified as welsh
English Players playing for the crusaders this season.
Tommy Lee - played in every game he was able too
Jamie Thackary - same as above
Peter Lupton - played in every game this year
The crusaders, for what everyone says, are not full of aussies. Yes we have a large majority of australian players, because we need them. The scorpions are 99% welsh, and made the play-offs this year. Couple of them look very promising for up and coming years.
We have yet to name any signings, but it looks like stuart reardon is on his way.
and fan of st helens. Are you blind?
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| Quote ="Spongolium"I asked for first team players, not players that have played 20 minutes off the bench in a call up. God you heartlands teams love doing that. Ah yes, Johnny from down the road played the last 10 minutes of game 2 in the season. Bringing through the youngsters see, it's a bit of a farce really.
Welsh Players, playing in the crusaders this season.
Elliot Kear - played early in the season, looks to be a lock next year.
Ben Flower - played in a number of games this year
Gareth Thomas - played most of the season before injury
Lloyd White - first call up in injury to half backs
Luke Dyer - played all season
Jordan James - played all season
Anthony Blackwood - Now transferred
Rhys Hanbury - Will be Qualified as welsh
English Players playing for the crusaders this season.
Tommy Lee - played in every game he was able too
Jamie Thackary - same as above
Peter Lupton - played in every game this year
The crusaders, for what everyone says, are not full of aussies. Yes we have a large majority of australian players, because we need them. The scorpions are 99% welsh, and made the play-offs this year. Couple of them look very promising for up and coming years.
We have yet to name any signings, but it looks like stuart reardon is on his way.
and fan of st helens. Are you blind?'"
and you support crusaders now?
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| Quote ="Spongolium"
Lloyd White - first call up in injury to half backs
Luke Dyer - played all season
Rhys Hanbury - Will be Qualified as welsh
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Are both Aussies, no 2 ways about it if we go for "qualified as Welsh" then James Evans doesn't count at Cas because he's "Welsh"
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| Quote ="Spongolium"I asked for first team players, not players that have played 20 minutes off the bench in a call up. God you heartlands teams love doing that. Ah yes, Johnny from down the road played the last 10 minutes of game 2 in the season. Bringing through the youngsters see, it's a bit of a farce really.
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I'd stop now mate. You're fooling no one and you're talking rubbish.
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| Quote ="Spongolium"Keiron you beauty!!!!! CRUSADERS ARE IN THE PLAY-OFFS.
WE DONT CARE IF WE HAVE TOO MANY AUSSIES
WE DON'T CARE THAT WE GOT MOVED AROUND AND MESSED ABOUT
WE ARE CRUSADERS!!!'"
Spongolium wrote:I've been a fan of the saints since I was born.
Nope. Not blind. Just wondered who the hell who you support? COmedy value is rising
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| Quote ="broster44"Spongolium wrote:I've been a fan of the saints since I was born.
Nope. Not blind. Just wondered who the hell who you support? COmedy value is rising'"
You do realise that the crusaders have not been around forever right? You must know that they are a new team that were created on my doorstep. My alligence changed when a welsh team was created.
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| Quote ="Spongolium"You do realise that the crusaders have not been around forever right? You must know that they are a new team that were created on my doorstep. My alligence changed when a Australian team was created.'"
Ah good for you.
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| Quote ="broster44"Spongolium wrote:I've been a fan of the saints since I was born.
Nope. Not blind. Just wondered who the hell who you support? COmedy value is rising'"
broster, comedy and wales don't really go hand in hand - Spongy is just a sad confused Welshman and I bet his real name is Daffyd
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| great first season but they need to build on it.
the proximity to the heartland clubs could make the long term difference to their survival over a club like south wales or quins with the extra away fans.
great ground too.
need to concentrate on season ticket sales as the long term future of the club
get 3000 of those and the club will be around a long time
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| Quote ="Gaslight"What irks me most about Crusaders is the fact they dropped the young Welsh FB (who is a good player) for Schifoske who's like 40, that Welsh prop, Flower is it? looked good against England and didn't get a sniff this year, why not play these lads instead of signing Aussies who are 30+?'"
To be honest, I'd be more bothered about Wakefield signing not even NRL standard forwards to keep young talent out. That's Wakefield having been formed in 1873, rather than the Crusaders a few years back.
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| Shock Horror.
3rd rate Aussie team finishing 8th in SL.
It just shows how far we are behind, in player development.
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| Just incase anyone is interested in the stats of the "mighty triupmph" of Crusaders for Wales this season, out of the 732 points scored by the crusaders, 52 of them were scored by UK born players yes thats right a whole 13 tries in 27 games, the last of which came on August the 13th, their one and only try from a UK player in that month.
Last season they scored 357 points. Just over 52 of them were scored by UK born players.
Noble might look like some sort of hero right now but the Wesh national team has definately taken a step backwards this season. All Noble has done is add an extra column to his CV achievments whilst the best of young Welsh talent who seemed to be improving towards the back end of the season have been swept under the carpet.
London finished 2nd in super league II with a team full of aussies, and look at them now with their thriving club
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| Quote ="who needs flankers?"
London finished 2nd in super league II with a team full of aussies, and look at them now with their thriving club
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Is that the thriving club with No debts, the most british squad in superleague, an academy product on his way to the mighty Saint Helens, teams at every under age and academy level, did I mention no debts, 2 cockney England internationals before LMS was signed by Saint Helens (did I mention that?). The only box quins rl don't tick is on attendances....everything else is just fine and I would go as far as to say thriving. But to posters like you......it's all about attendance figures and too many aussies...
What gets me is that although Crusaders are packed with Australians, they will need time to develop "local" talent. London took 15 years....but this year we fielded an all GB team with 9 academy produced lads......Rome wasn't built in a day. "Other teams" in superleague, with 120+ years of history are signing Australian talent and yet Crusaders who are in their infancy are an easy target for some on here.
Congratulations Crusaders and your fans. Long may it continue
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| Quote ="gutterfax"No debts...
did I mention no debts, '"
And how did that come about? Oh yes, but London Broncos had the odd debt or 2... quote from the BBC "The club went into liquidation with debts of around £3m."
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| Quote ="tristram"And how did that come about? Oh yes, but London Broncos had the odd debt or 2... quote from the BBC "The club went into liquidation with debts of around £3m."'"
The club owed 2 people.
The Inland Revenue and David Hughes. David Hughes offered to swallow his debt if the IR let the Broncos pay back the 1.5 million over a period of time. The IR refused, the club folded and the rest is history.......
fail to see you bringing this up has any relevance to the thoery that Harlequins Rugby League are not a thriving club. They have no debts...at all. No overdraft, no loans...just a very patient chairman.
Are you saying it's not fair that a business was allowed to fold, reinvent itself and not have to pay what it owed? If so, I would suggest you take that up with the Inland Revenue....they were offered payment but declined and the other SL chairmen who voted for the broncos to stay. I am sure they had their reasons (1.2 million of them)icon_wink.gif
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| Quote ="gutterfax"What gets me is that although Crusaders are packed with Australians, they will need time to develop "local" talent. London took 15 years....but this year we fielded an all GB team with 9 academy produced lads......Rome wasn't built in a day. "Other teams" in superleague, with 120+ years of history are signing Australian talent and yet Crusaders who are in their infancy are an easy target for some on here.
Congratulations Crusaders and your fans. Long may it continue
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They dont have time to develop. The franchise decision is made next year, every team has had the same time to meet that deadline, the same three year period. It doesnt matter if you joined the RFL 115 years ago or last night, if you dont have the development and players in place then you shouldnt get the franchise.
Celtic crusaders were not ready for a franchise, crusaders were then given one outside the rules. They havnt got their own players now and Welsh rugby players are not being developed in Super league, rather in the championship 1. They deserve criticism for this as do other clubs who rely on overseas players to lesser extent. Put Celtic back in the championship until they are ready, Catalans had enough domestic players when they were given entry to superleague, so should everyone else under this ridiculous system.
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| Quote ="Hopie"They dont have time to develop. The franchise decision is made next year, every team has had the same time to meet that deadline, the same three year period. It doesnt matter if you joined the RFL 115 years ago or last night, if you dont have the development and players in place then you shouldnt get the franchise.
Celtic crusaders were not ready for a franchise, crusaders were then given one outside the rules. They havnt got their own players now and Welsh rugby players are not being developed in Super league, rather in the championship 1. They deserve criticism for this as do other clubs who rely on overseas players to lesser extent. Put Celtic back in the championship until they are ready, Catalans had enough domestic players when they were given entry to superleague, so should everyone else under this ridiculous system.'"
Most other teams in superleague have signed domestic players for next season but to my knowledge Crusaders haven't even tried. It looks like they have no intnetion to try and reduce the number of overseas players they have. They are allowed far more overseas players than heartland clubs and with everyone else having to reduce their overseas numbers by 1 next season it could be an even more unlevel playing field next season!
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