1) poor opposition
2) zero away fans
3) terrible performance last week
4) general dissatisfaction with the club over the stadium development, and lack of news about where we are playing next year
5) school holidays
6) facilities at Knowsley Road putting people off
7) not playing in the normal Friday night slot

but, we are still in the top 3or4 for average crowds this year - so not too concerned about things as they are. And Widnes fans will be able to watch SL rugby next year anyway, so they dont need their own team.

Poor opposition? Just like the poor opposition that's bottom of the league that beat you last week? Don't blame Harlequins because one of the most successful clubs in RL history 'the entertainers' can't generate 10000 fans. School holidays? Facilities at Knowsley Road have been there for quite a while, so unless Saints fans have gone right up their own @rses I can't see why that would matter.

Might just beat the 14 team record, but I don't think we'll get near 90k.

Because Saints fans are used to the Saints way. Exciting, enterprising, off the cuff rugby. "Just like watching Brazil" and all that.

What we've been subjected to in recent seasons is quite the opposite philosophy and a lot of Potter's reign has been pure torture.

Despite the relative success compared with other clubs, the mood around KR is very depressed. No positivity at all.. It's not a club with a clear direction with a figurehead leader.

Want to swap positions? Saints fans don't know how good they've had it.

What without all the cas fans? i doubt it somehow.

Personally i think there a better case for the two hulls merging

Is there going to be 23 or 24k at Wigan/Warrington?

No, it'll be around 17k in reality. A lot of Wiganers are getting bored again now they are all conquering and can't possibly lose. A lot of Warrington fans are now so convinced that they are going to win every trophy for the next decade that they are saving their money for Old Trafford instead.

With unreserved seating dont they have to leave a certain amount of seats free for H&S?
i'd expect about 22k

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I think Wigan-Wire has sold around 22500 up to now. H&S reduces the capacity for some bizarre reason.

See what I mean now when I say they are spoiled? Try supporting Swinton, Coldham, Widnes or any of the team that have been dumped on by Super Duper League and are still fighting today.

Lose a few games and the world's going to end. I would love for Cas to have their success and sit where they are in the table now.

I'd have a nose bleed if Leigh are ever that good again and i'd jump through hoops to go watching them, I bet you would too Fully if it were Cas.

The problem with some Saints fans is that they think that it's their right to be the top side.

A lot of fans are like that. I'm sure there are an element of Bradford, Warrington, Wigan and Leeds fans like that. And I'm sure if any other club had a period of dominance such as these, some would just be as expectant. It's the fickle nature of sport, I'm afraid.

No, no, no. You have misinterpreted what I put. Winning is simply not a big issue to Saints fans.

What is an issue is entertainment, or rather the lack of it.

But they're your team, through thick and thin. And you don't go because they don't wazz the ball all over the place like they used to? Turn up and let them know then.

I'd take a winning team over entertainment. It's alright playing like the Harlem Globetrotters as long as you're clinical enough to convert that play into points. Some teams that play expansive rugby leak points.

And anyway, each coach is going to bring a different attitude to the camp and a different style of play. Your side has probably got more defensive and restricted in play due to the old guard leaving or retiring and younger blood coming in, making it harder to settle down and get used to the system.

You ought to try living in London my friend if you consider St Helens not to be an entertaining side

If you want to watch Superleage down here all you have is Harlequins

its to do with unreserved seating and presumably to stop a last minute scramble for the remaining ones - it reduces capacity by 1500 or so in a 25000 stadium. its the same at hull

Yeah I know mate, bit daft if you ask me. If the seats are there, fill them up.

its because people arrive bang on kickoff and won't be able to see the odd spare seat in the middle of rows, causing congestion on the stairs.

I think its a good idea, but it could probably cope with only being 5% left empty and not 10%

there are rumours that Hull are to turn the east stand to completely reserved next year anyway, due to high season ticket demand.

If true

Impressive