Started well this year....let's hope they can kick on next year but let's see








...The club was founded in 1873......how much TIME DO YOU WANT?

....so, a club that is 5 years old this year.....or even 30 years old in another format is averaging 850 fans less a game that Salford, a club 137yrs in existance, but harlequins get "well" as a summary, Salford get..........."given time"






Don't get me wrong, I believe that Quins crowds are a disgrace (that's the numbers...not the actual supporters themselves), but to say Salford will do well in time is a little rich......

Can't see any of these big increases TBH. Lots of jobs going to disappear in the next couple of years,fans will pick and choose the games they attend.You mention Wigan averaging 15,000,going up to 20,000.Why?
Wigan playing their best and most successful rugby for years,surely anyone remotely interested in the club will already be attending.
I can see attendances standing still or even dropping at many clubs. Clubs will have to come up with cut-price deals on tickets if they can afford it.

Tut tut tut, no being positive on the VT please!

Wigan will push towards 20k and further in my opinion, Ian Lenegan's way of getting his vast amounts of money is to promo the club and get bums on seats. When the Wigan Athletic bubble bursts, the RL club will prosper from that.

I understand the point about jobs and money being an issue, but everyone will want recreation and if this means stopping paying 45 quid to watch a boring football game and go watching an rl game for less than half that and with most clubs doing great season tickets for families, i know what i'd do. A Man Utd die-hard fan has already said to me that he could have bought a Salford season ticket for him and his daughter for the price he paid for just him to go to 3 Man Utd games with a few beers thrown in.

The point about Wire and Hull increasing their gates is an interesting one. Both clubs worked hard to increase crowds prior to moving with cut price deals, cheap tickets for kids accompanied by an adult etc and both have reaped the benefit. Salford do not appear to have done anything to boost attendances, instead relying on the possibility that a new stadium will be the catalyst for success. It won't happen.

Salford have had cut-price tickets for certain matches.
Wire's gates have also increased because of the policy of signing big name players which increases expectancy and creates a "buzz" around the club before the season starts.After a few seasons of disappointment,in the last couple of seasons this seems to be paying off.
Hull have also brought in big name players which has kept up the expectancy for the fans.
Salford don't have the money for such signings,therefore expectations are lower and performances suffer.One argument would be for Salford to push the boat out,spend money they don't have,hope performances improve and therefore that gates improve.O.K if it comes off,but if it doesn't?
If Salford's gates increase in the new stadium,then more money will be available for better players which will in turn lead to better results leading to bigger crowds (everone wants to watch a winning team).
Anyway,that's the theory.If we get kicked out of Super League it's another matter.

Hopefully the Cas attendance's will improve this season as we still have 2 very big local derby's in Wakefield and Leeds to come at the Jungle

I never mentioned anything about new stadiums.

How much bigger is Wakey than London out of curiosity?

for any club to be getting less than 3k in a supposed elite level of prof competition is a joke, especially one that was let in on a franchise that was supposed to be about strengthening the competition.

Harlequins didn't have 3,700 when we played them at their place did they?

so what, Quins crowds are a disgrace as well.

SL needs every club to be averaging over 7k at the very least to be seen as a credible league/sport IMO. And most clubs probably need around that figure to break-even and survive without a sugar daddy. I know HullKR stated last year that they'd need 10k crowds to break-even for example.

So 7K is now the only accepted criteria for RL to move forward-Got it.

What credibility do clubs get that dont bring in their own youth, live in debt and fear of winding up, dont own or play in decent grounds...........................................or doesnt that matter

I didn't say it was the 'only' criteria. Just that 7k should be around the figure that an SL club should be able to break-even, and therefore avoid 'live in debt and fear of winding up' as your post states. And obviously if the club is breaking even it should have more resources to develop young talent and upgrade its ground.

Wonder what a 'Hull' team would be averaging say for instance if Rovers never existed.

Hull get over 13k and Rovers get over 8k?

Not saying all these fans would still be about, but surley it wouldn't be far off 18k or something?

rovers haven't existed for the last 20 years, well to their new found loyal supporters they haven't, hull still pulled in 10k or more for the last few years though

A lot of people I know don't go watching cos 'league games are pointless if they don't give you the league when you've finished top'

I explain to them that finshing top rewrds you with a trophy and also means you have to lose 2 homes to be prevented getting to the GF which is almost impossible, but it doesn't help

Same as hudderfield

Edited for accuracy

The city of Wakefield is bigger than the city of London if that helps

If you're going to be a pedant, at least be an accurate pedant

and todays main news ... Hull KR fan in shock thread starter about how big his willy is and how many fans you have

Oh dear...still hurts does it?

enlighten me sweet cheeks