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| The question is can Crusaders keep it up next year, it'll be a big ask, and for us well I thought our average would of been even worse, think it would be stupid to get rid of us now the stadium's being built though.
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| I think if they make a few high profile signings and a bit more promotion, they can improve on this years attendances. I also agree that Salford should be kept in now, I think they should have gone last time, but this time they're there on merit.
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Quins = 3047
Salford = 4524
Crusaders = 6691
Wakefield = 6060
Things are looking ok for us to date and with Saints and Wire to come at home I can see us finishing way clear of Salford and Quins.'"
If I have to eat any more humble pie, I think I'll be sick.
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| Quote ="lister"I want to see a club do well in North Wales as it isn't too far from other clubs, yet it's tapping into a new area. I also want all clubs in the league to have decent stadiums as it helps the whole league.
Warrington's average is currently 11143 and we have matches yet to come against;
Hull KR
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Hull FC
I can see that average either holding up or going even higher, our lowest attendance was 9619 and that was against Catalans. Hopefully some expansion for The HJ soon as it's definitely needed for big games.'"
Dont expect a turn out from cas as they only brought 150 fans to our place last sunday
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| Quote ="gutterfax"....exactly. Clubs know we travel up on the back of a scooter and ACT accordingly...........but you'll always get the fans of "some clubs" in East Hull going on about our lack of away fans and it being the number 1 reason we should be booted out of SL
When will people realise that attendances count for 2 licence points and quins will get a licence next time, as will Crusaders based on the expansion ticket. I would be worrying more about stadiums and finances if I were a fan of any of the other c licence winners last time.....Quins have a backer who will continue to catch the debt.....they balance their books every year.
As for Crusaders, they will build their fan base year on year and if they can put together a decent cup run or challenge for honours in the next 4 years, they will average 8 to 9K easily. 6k in their first season in a new town is pretty good...considering the sport has no history of being played there.'"
I like having Quins in Super League. You can't beat a good weekend in the big smoke. Just like Catalan
we are coming down for the weekend at the end of July
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| Quote ="those were the days"Dont expect a turn out from cas as they only brought 150 fans to our place last sunday'"
more than what they brought to our place
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| salford in their new ground can easily get 8000 if they are getting 4500 now at the willows.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"salford in their new ground can easily get 8000 if they are getting 4500 now at the willows.'"
if they can find a money tree like warrington did,then they have a great opportunity when the stadium is built.
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| Quote ="meast"more than what they brought to our place
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Mr Pot, I would like to introduce you to Mr Kettle.
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| Quote ="lister"Just for reference I did the Warrington average without Murrayfield.'"
...and while you all seem to be enjoying playing with numbers. On a like for like basis, comparing this years fixtures to last years, Warringtons attendance to date is up by a very impressive 21.46%.
...and the Crusaders....using Celtics figures from last year....attendances up by a massive 59.02%, they also have only played 5 home games.
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| Quote ="those were the days"Dont expect a turn out from cas as they only brought 150 fans to our place last sunday'"
I wasnt at the match so dont know how many we brought, the number does seem to get smaller everytime its mentioned though. I wonder if its a similar reason why we had a thread on our board a few years ago with wigan fans slaggin us off for bringing no more than 400, just before your own chairman revealed we had brought just short of a thousand.
I be at the celtic match though, far better day out and the welsh are always a good laugh.
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| Quote ="pyeman"I wasnt at the match so dont know how many we brought, the number does seem to get smaller everytime its mentioned though. I wonder if its a similar reason why we had a thread on our board a few years ago with wigan fans slaggin us off for bringing no more than 400, just before your own chairman revealed we had brought just short of a thousand.
I will be at the celtic match though, far better day out and the welsh are always a good laugh.'"
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| Quote ="pyeman"I wasnt at the match so dont know how many we brought, the number does seem to get smaller everytime its mentioned though. I wonder if its a similar reason why we had a thread on our board a few years ago with wigan fans slaggin us off for bringing no more than 400, just before your own chairman revealed we had brought just short of a thousand.
I be at the celtic match though, far better day out and the welsh are always a good laugh.'"
Hand on heart honesty.......Cas brought around about 3-400 to wigan last week. Wheather thats good or bad i'm not really bothered but it was around that figure.
Something has to be done about away following in general for me. Somebody on our board mentioned an 'away' season ticket which would be a decent shout imo. I'd buy one if it saved me money because I go to all our away games and it may just tempt a few more out of the woodwork if the prices agreed between clubs were decent.
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Well done Oldham Oldham are 'my' club in CC1. Leigh 1st and then Wakey for SL and Oldham for CC1.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Hand on heart honesty.......Cas brought around about 3-400 to wigan last week. Wheather thats good or bad i'm not really bothered but it was around that figure.
Something has to be done about away following in general for me. Somebody on our board mentioned an 'away' season ticket which would be a decent shout imo. I'd buy one if it saved me money because I go to all our away games and it may just tempt a few more out of the woodwork if the prices agreed between clubs were decent.'"
Sounds like a good idea, if people had already played they would be more likely to go.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Teams like Wigan, Leeds and Hull disgust me. It's them who are making everyone look bad. If they posted attendances of 5,000 and 6,000 we wouldn't be having threads like this. It's a bloody disgrace.'"
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Hand on heart honesty.......Cas brought around about 3-400 to wigan last week. Wheather thats good or bad i'm not really bothered but it was around that figure.
Something has to be done about away following in general for me. Somebody on our board mentioned an 'away' season ticket which would be a decent shout imo. I'd buy one if it saved me money because I go to all our away games and it may just tempt a few more out of the woodwork if the prices agreed between clubs were decent.'"
I agree on this. Away support is a massive part of gameday, the saints and wire games at home are our best games because we get good away support, this makes the atmosphere better and more people go the game.
It would also be great if clubs would look at their own home support and actually do something about their shocking figures. The Wigan marketing team are working their socks off and are seeing real results. Every other club should do the same.
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| I'd be very interested to see a combined 'league table' of all three divisions clubs. Is there one about.
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| Why oh why do people still harp on about away following ?
The majority of games now appear to be played on a Friday night. Friday nights are not going to attract vast numbers following their teams away from home. Even within counties as roads are simply clogged. The M62 is a mare over Friday tea time.
Quins fans are hardly likely to travel in big numbers on a Friday. It can take 2 - 3 hours just to get out of London let alone travel up the M1 / M6 / A1.
I am sure every one of us would love to say we watch our teams home and away every match but its not going to happen. Anyone with a job and a family is going to struggle to give up that much time week in week out.
It is though up to clubs to promote their teams in order to attract local support. Wigan as has been mentioned seem to do well. Hull FC have maade massive strides since 2002 in attracting more support. Wire the same. What have they in common? Decent stadiums. Its no coincidence.
I am sure Saints and Salford will attract more when their stadiums are built. Its the only way. Hull have done it with very expensive ticket prices, but they have had to work hard. Its not as if the product on the field has been that good.
I do now believe though that its time to reward clubs who are going the extra mile and posting profits and developing the game, even those in the heartlands.
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| Quote ="Nozzy"Well done Oldham
Oldham are 'my' club in CC1. Leigh 1st and then Wakey for SL and Oldham for CC1.'"
Thats great news for Oldham.
The Wakey - Leigh love in continues!
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"I agree on this. Away support is a massive part of gameday, the saints and wire games at home are our best games because we get good away support, this makes the atmosphere better and more people go the game.
It would also be great if clubs would look at their own home support and actually do something about their shocking figures. The Wigan marketing team are working their socks off and are seeing real results. Every other club should do the same.'"
The Wigan marketing team probably have a bigger budget to work from. The other smaller clubs don't.
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| Quote ="Fully"The Wigan marketing team probably have a bigger budget to work from. The other smaller clubs don't.'"
The whole idea of marketing is to MAXIMISE PROFITS. Extra efforts in marketing would hopefully make MORE money.
Cheaper tickets for certain games
Leaflets
Posters
Announcements in the ground
Advertisements on the website
Packages sent to season ticket holders
Do they really cost that much money?
The Wigan marketing team have used these to great effect.
I agree our marketing team has more money, we will be bringing out an advert for the big one on granada on the 2nd of July, other clubs can't do that, but they can do the basics.
I see little effort from most other clubs in super league, that includes shockingly some of the big teams and also the teams who need people through the gate the most.
Our marketing team also held a rugby festival last week which resulted in 14k home fans and also the enjoyment and development of young rugby players accross Wigan.
They marketed the Quins game as the St Georges day game and offered group discounts. 18k home fans.
Last year the big one against Leeds had tickets for £5 and £10. 18k home fans.
The same thing will be done this year for the wire game. It will be a sell-out.
Other than paying for an advert on granada which will cost alot, please tell me what really costs so much more so that other clubs cannot do it? Also, there are other clubs who make more money than Wigan at the moment... Leeds, Wire and Hull, why are they not helping lead the way for the rest of rugby league?
Ian Lenegan hopes to have a 20k average in the next 5 years. Other clubs seem happy getting below 10k on a regular basis.
To conclude, marketing should be a massive part of the game but sadly at the moment it is not, it has been proved time and time again, the grand final and challenge cup final did not even sell-out last year and the attendances for internationals are shocking. Untill we start taking marketing seriously in this sport like RU do, we will also be a small game who the majority don't care about.
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| Are we doing away teams a favour though? Their was quite a good crowd of KR fans at Warrington on Friday, but were asking people to go the length of the M62 on a Friday night and be at a ground for circa 7.30. That means setting of at around 5.30. It clashes with people's work commitments.
I understand that we're dancing to Sky's tune but a sunday 3pm game would always be my preference
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| Could be worse, they could have faced the same sort of issues as Leeds fans who found that having booked their train tickets to Quins on Sunday the kick-off was moved back two hours at Sky's request.
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| Quote ="Side Burns"Are we doing away teams a favour though? Their was quite a good crowd of KR fans at Warrington on Friday, but were asking people to go the length of the M62 on a Friday night and be at a ground for circa 7.30. That means setting of at around 5.30. It clashes with people's work commitments.
I understand that we're dancing to Sky's tune but a sunday 3pm game would always be my preference'"
No there wasnt! I counted them for the other thread! About 140 there were
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