Errrrm I actually descend from German stock but thanks for caring.



If you got rid of all the Aussies from your competion it would be like watching amateur park footy week in week out.

And I'm afraid to say that is a FACT.

I've asked this question in the past but got no answer but hey ho, I'll give it another go;

Whilst there is no doubt that the Aussies have better talent at the highest level, what is the ratio of non fair dinkum Aussies' (Kiwi's, Islanders) etc. plying their trade in the NRL as opposed to non true Brits in Superleague?

I suspect that both leagues are propped up by imports in order to make up the numbers.

Mate I cant be bothered to research that one.

Junior Footy in Australia at lower levels is popular with a lot of islanders (because they are big b astards even aged 14) And a lot of islanders are Aussie born anyway.

Consequently a lot of them carry on and make it into grown up footy.


But in the same breath I would wager that the standard of true blue dinki di Aussie kids playing footy every Saturday is probably higher than their English equivalents over here in the UK

Not entirely evident over the last few years when touring sides have met. There are good results for our youth (at least a few years back anyway) at representative level - but like you, I can't be bothered researching that

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Do take the time to read what I wrote before you go off on one



In the opening post I wrote:

" with all the licencing and [iquota rules[/i "

Can you see that? I do hope so.

That would be the Bavarian McKenzies would it?



Lot of Wakey sore losers on here eh? Why do they think Wrexham Crusaders have been around 5 years? It's not one yet?

whats a matter arent the crusaders turning up and getting rolled over every week does that not suit some of you,christ they been going since january in a place who 99 per cent of population have never seen a game and certainly couldnt tell you the rules.give it chance the wxm council the owners and the locals in what is a massive catchment area could make it work but its gna take a while .i believe we will average 7 thou plus this yr which wont be bad ,if we were getting battered every week because it was full of welsh youngsters this would be the last time we got a franchise .give it time fellas

Gotta love that bit aint ya .

If they have only been going since January how come they have a SL licence ?

Oh yes ! They stole it .
Boot 'em out now . Let one of the other applicants have their place , and make Crusaders RL apply for a SL licence next time they are up for renewal .

I was all for the expansion idea when it first happened , but this is a farce .Didn't I read somewhere that seeing as they are a new team they are allowed more overseas players than the rest of the SL teams ? So they have nicked a licence , and are cheating , and all with the blessing of the RFL .

It really is an embarrassment .

That's not the point he's making. the new quota/federation rules were only brought in in the last few years.

SL Licences in 2009 included points for youth development. Since the 14 clubs have been granted a licence, Quins have stuck with a youth policy. Yes, it's not making massive gains on the field at present, but as pointed out, 2/17 against Saints is a great thing to see.

We've been making massive strides in this area; Sykes, Melling, LMS, Clubb and Purdham all given international honours whilst being Quins players.

This season we've brought in Wilkes, Ellis, Jones & Esders whilst loaning Jones-Bishop & Penny.

For so long, we've been branded as a team full of Aussies, and that's all changed now. Bulls bring in Orford, Kearney, L'Estrange and Hall all in one off-season; we've gone for Brits.

Harlequins - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

with no money, a state dominated by AFL and no NRL team to raise RL's profile, WA still produces players that go on to be 1st teamers in the NRL. Good structure, good coaching and a decent scouting system is what is needed in every part of the UK.

The Crusaders are coached by Noble who has a history of using large numbers of overseas players.

At Bradford he regularly had 8/9/10 non GB qualified players. At Wigan; who along with Leeds have the best junior set up in RL he would often play an entire backline with not one GB qualified player plus forwards.

Noble isn't interested in developing young players-too much like hard work- he would rather let the NRL clubs do that for him.

If you look through all the side in SL you could take out 3 overseas players out of each side and replace them with younger UK players and the standard would remain the same.

If you took Obst, Korkedas and Demitriou out of the Wakey side and put some of their excellent youngsters in would they be any worse - no. If Cas took out Sherwin, Evans and McGoldrick would it have a negative effect on another club that produce a lot of very good junior players - no.

That is the problem with SL - far too many very average Aussie players.

Nope, there are a few threads on the Wakey and Crusaders forums clearly stating the best team won and
wishing the Crusaders and thier fans all the best.

It will be the same 23 of 34 when they play the midgets also, dont suppose that will matter though eh

I'm sure you will have some excuse, plaster for every sore comes to mind

we had 5 non brits against cas out of 17,3 against salford on easter monday and on good friday against catalans we had 4...thats an average of 4 per game, so if we are playeing crusaders they will have to cheat by using 19 players who are non brits to get your average lol

well done crusaders!

just saw the result.

brilliant

When we played you at the Hearwell we had 4 non feds and you had...10. We won 52-0. HTH

The same old arguments keep croping up, League has had 115 years to develop up North, Crusaders after nearly going bust have had less than 100 days. All clubs bring in overseas players my own club uses Aussies who have come in on European passports we have an Aussie coach we have been in super league for 3 years & have only 1 or two local lads from our own set up who are anywhere near Superleague at the moment. We have relied on cast off,s from Leeds.
Although clubs get a 3 year licence it is not long enough it has taken London 30 years to get any sort of youth development to produce (& people want to abandon it now) it is a long term thing For Wales to get any sort of home grown production line of players will take another 20 years (even with union players of good standard that are available) & will need all the support we can give.
As for the Australian experts posting on here if league had the input into its coffers that the Australian state puts in through the education system that TV pays for rights & no competition from soccer us Brits might do a bit better. At least we compete at the top of a sport that everyone plays (football) not minority sports that only a few ex British colonies play.

in australia rugby league is the pinnacle of sport, hence it is what juniors are all aiming at.

kids who are good at sport tend to be good at all sports.

in AUS the best athletes go into RL

in UK the best athletes go into football where the big money and glamour is.
next they would aim for union for the same reasons, and then probably cricket.
beyond that comes RL

no glamour and less financial benefit.

obviously the southern hemisphere are going to produce more RL players than this country.

why is anyone surprised?

The welsh club have been around 5 years not 100 days. This thread is not about 'home grown' it is about using fed trained players. There are plenty of good players on loan in SL. There are SL level youngsters dual registered / available for loan. Last year the Giants, finishing 3rd, had loan players like Scott Moore and Lee Mossop. Ben Jones Bishop at Quins / Cooper at Cas are examples of the players who could be available.

The RFL have made it too easy for Crusaders to knee jerk and sign from the NRL. They need to exert more pressure on clubs like wakey to get the number of non fed trained down.

As I've stated before Wakefield does a good job of producing professional players but they don't have the means to keep them when the bigger clubs wave their Visa Debit Cards in Trinity's direction.

Blaymire, George, Murphy, Morton, Brough, Gledhill, Davey, Pitts, Bibb, Ellis, Westwood, Mason, Feather, Ferguson, Snitch are all playing top flight rugby at present. There are a number of young lads in Wakefields squad who WILL play over the next few weeks.

There are too many ex Wakefield players now plying their trade in the lower divisions to mention.

As a Wakefield fan I am sometimes disappointed at the number of Non Fed trained players in our team and would like us to reduce that number. In past years we have had sporadic bursts of junior development followed by a couple of barren years, that’s not good enough!

John Kear and his staff have worked very hard to instigate system that recruits a continuous flow of talented players who feed into the junior setup at Trinity and last year we saw the fruits of that new system for the first time.

Over the next few years the challenge to the club is to continue their investment in youth and not to fall back to a Boom n Bust scenario. If they do that then Wakefield will reduce their reliance on Non Fed Players and will steadily fill the team with home grown Academy talent. Producing greater numbers of players will also allow Wakefield to remain competitive even in the face raids from the bigger clubs.

All this is taking time but has been underway for about three years now.

What I dislike about GiantJo's comments are that they are totally insincere and despite the noises she makes she has no interest in the overseas numbers and is just trolling for a bite from Trinity followers. It’s quite laughable that a pseudo Giants fan should point the finger at another club when Huddersfield have a ridiculous record when it comes to producing their own talent, with just a handful of recent successes to point out as examples.

I have recently been watching a tape of lancs v Yorks U11s from 1987 (featuring Saun Long and Paul Cooke) plus Leeds v warrington at Wembley, and it's so sad that maybe only three players made it to SL level. The skill amd enthuisiasm is tremendous (pushing in the scrum too) so where did all this talent go? Were they shunted aside for the Aussie quick fixes?

If you watched a game of inter-counties Under 11s from any sport twenty years ago and compared how many had gone on to make a pro career out of it, then three is probably a decent return to be honest.

The drop-out rate for elite kids in all sports is alarmingly high, for a whole number of reasons not least they grow up and decide they'd rather be doing other things.

Wildthing, I meant on this thread. Most of your boys and girls are, as you say, quite fair in their assessment of the match. But there are a few (including the o/p) trying to find legal fault in the WC to justify the loss.

Down at the now defunct Celtic Crusaders, we always thought quite highly of your lot.

I know, but even so...

The OP isnt a wakey fan he's/she's a hudds troll who's mission in life appears to be to wind wakey fans up.