It would be a cap to enhance the domination of clubs based around players they have developed at the expense of those who wont do this

this is true, however if it means we lose some of the average overseas players with the funds spent on those encouraged to be spent on youth development instead, which whilst not guaranteed to bring through better youngsters (nothing is) it will guarantee to bring through more, where it becomes in the clubs best interests to spend more training and scouting young players which should follow they will be better

So you want clubs to offer more money to juniors to get them to sign for their clubs rather than signing for the ' bigger ' clubs

But the clubs you want to offer this money are the clubs who already are the clubs without the money at the moment , therefore leaving them with less money to spend on their 1 st teams

And then the bigger clubs just take these players off the original clubs anyway when they are developed

More money does not neccessarily make players better

All it would do is inflate the market for the juniors we already have

The simple answer is that any player that has not come through a british based clubs academy is counted double on the salary cap , but legaly this could be a problem

my apologies (i did only look at the ten years preceeding 98 and 10 years after 98, though it seems not 9icon_cool.gif

though one more winner, and that being wigan is hardly evidence of it being much more competitive

no, i would be happy with a maximum junior wage up to the season after they turn 18, at this point they can sign a pro contract with the club that has 'developed' them not counting on the cap, or with another club where it counts on the cap

i expect more from clubs designated elite

But until you have all clubs at the maximum SC without bancrupting themselves in the process you will still have the big clubs monopolising the best talent

Whatever way you want to bake it , the bottom line is we need all clubs to be self sustaining and able to spend the full salary cap , until that happens you will not have a totally competitive competition

Then expect to be dissapointed as well

so you bring down the cap. Then you have the bigger clubs being able to offer less or get fewer players from other clubs,

im happy with what a fair few clubs are doing, we just need to be doing it more

Not saying what the answer is , just that your answer is not the right one

exactly

ie leeds and wigan dominance

bingo.

and when that happens youll have a fantastic competition

if you think RL is booming now, just wait till it happens

in the short term im looking at hull fc, warrington and hudds to come through and challenge clubs like leeds and saints.

with clubs like wakey or cas, to really challenge the top clubs they need new grounds and its why i keep banging on about new grounds, so more clubs can compete with the best

answer is firstly more revenues to ensure all clubs can spend the full cap. whether this is with more TV money, higher crowds, more sponsorship etc.

the franchising thing should help as the pressure is on clubs to get new grounds and improve finances.

im not too fussed if the salary cap doesnt go up for a while and instead the RFL ensures clubs finances are improved so all can spend the cap. so any future increases in sky money id put to higher club grants and leaving the salary cap where it is.

if each club got sasy 300,000 - 500,000 pounds more each, then that would mean pretty much everyone would spend the full cap and each club would be less reliant on sugar daddies.

it seems currently clubs need crowds of 10,000 - 11,000 to spend full salary cap and not be too heavily reliant on outside money. given average SL crowds of just under 9000 it shows where the game has to get too.

More what?

effort, achievement, ambition

forcing clubs to invest in youth development and making their SL success dependent on it is the only answer

if thats the way it goes so be it.

Leeds shouldnt apologise for the success they have earned, and it isnt a bad thing. They way they built towards it is exactly how we want clubs to build for success, they should be rewarded for that not have their team ripped apart because other clubs would rather spend good money on average imports than spend the time, money and effort building for sustainable success

we shouldnt be afraid of our clubs successes we should celebrate it.

Hull should be in a better position to recruit because of the effort and success they have achieved in bringing through youth players.

whats funny is you still dont understand that your two examples of the salary cap working have been two examples of clubs spending money they arent earning on the first team at the expense of their youngsters

i personally cant wait to see clubs like leeds or saints losing good players to lesser clubs so they can grow

sure not having a salary cap means leeds win more titles

but thats not whats best for the game as a whole

id rather other clubs also started producing good players, Thats how we move forward

if other clubs cant grow their crowds because the bigger clubs spend more on players, they dont have money to invest in juniors

Effort? I don't seen anyone not succeeding for lack of trying.
Achievement? There's only so much to go around. No more trophies will be won.
Ambition? They all seem to be trying to win something, hence the influx of foreign signings.

You'll have to expand further and in more detail.

They could spend it if they avoided spending money on players like Rhys Lovegrove or Damien Blanch