Good point but then again football clubs lose money hand over fist in every division other than the Premier League but still they seem to survive and progress.

They seem to take it in turns then leave, when Smokey TA reduced his posting we had Big Graeme, Johnoco, Roy Haggerty and now Tre Cool come in then pull out quickly

Hurrah now we are getting to the nub of it - reality rears its head. Crusaders could get decent gates if big money was invested. I believe outside of London S Wales is the ONLY place you could fairly quickly get up to 10,000 gates BUT it would have to be with a top 2 or 3 team with a couple of big names. Without big investment forget it.

Well given that each of these endless threads is the same half a dozen people joyfully tossing off onto the same biscuit, is it any wonder nobody else wants to pop round for tea ?

It's fairly simple : there's a few people who think that Crusaders difficulties "prove" that expansion cannot take place through giving licenses to new or relatively SL clubs. Some argue it will never work. Some argue that it needs time (50 years, anyone ?).

Then there's a group of people who think that the Crusaders example proves nothing except that what was done in the case of Crusaders didn't work as well as we would have hoped. Some would argue that it was the specificities of Leighton Samuel's involvement, some that it was about location, some think it was RFL maladministration, or some just bad luck. Or all of the above.

Is there any point endlessly going round those same issues on ten different threads ?

Perhaps some people don't spend every waking minute looking on a messageboard to see what someone thinks. Besides, there is such a thing as making your point then leaving it at that and not having pages and pages of boring tit for tat.

Now if it's ok with you, I am away at work for a while.

how about we wait and see what happens?

why isnt there the same amount of threads on Wakefields plight?

how come on the limited amount there is on Wakefields problems everybody is accepting how sad it is they are struggling and nobody is using it as a reason RL will never work in West Yorkshire?

mainly because your repetitive athon over celtics problems is boring and your constant repetition about 'organic growth' being the way to go is idiotic,

bingo!

There there.. No need to get so emotional



What's idiotic and repetitive is the way you constantly ram your opinion down the throats of and deride anyone who disagrees with you.

Maybe it's time that you and your 'ilk' just accepted the fact that you're in an ever shrinking minority of forum users who are becoming the subject of much ridicule for your angry rantings and complete denial of negative impacts of this current RFL cock up.

If you don't agree with what someone is saying, try accepting it rather than your tedious and vain attempts to change people over to your way of thinking. You're just making yourself like a stubborn little child throwing a tantrum.

honestly, really, read that back to yourself

You're in denial, you'll come to terms with it eventually.

So that's your retort then? That's not like your usual thread-dissecting reply is it?

Not any more it would seem.

there has just been a huge drop in their quality recently rich, theres no point anymore, it would be like trying to teach a cat to do a crossword

one good thing about Celtics struggle is they seem to have given up any pretence that they actually want the game to expand and come clean about their true motives (which we all knew anyway, It was just fun to watch them try to not say it and say it at the same time)

Awww bless, you're still unable to differentiate between someone who wants expansion but isn't prepared to have it at any cost and someone like yourself who just wants expansion regardless of how slap dash it's done.

If only everything in life was as simple as you.

you see, like this Rich

its not even an argument, or even really a statement,

its just someone trying to re-invent their reality

at least starbug has an outlook, and ideology about the game

Now now don't strain yourself and try and get all pseudo-intellectual on us, you're only going to make yourself look even more silly!

He is making a point though - intimating that he does agree with expansion but only in a measured way. Thr RFL took a big risk with Celtic at the expense (at the time) of a ready made SL club. ScallyWags is merely saying that's not how it should be done. I've made my own feelings on this known in other threads - if we want expansion to work we've got to have patience and a lot of cash - something which nobody seems to have had with the Celtic saga.

I tried to put my opinion forward on the Merger with Widnes thread only to be told by the 'wise one' that I was being a bitter flat capper.

When faced with opposing logic and reason, the blinkers come on and the defensive flat capper lines are rolled out. Difference is, I can see the logic in what he says, I just don't happen to agree with it.

He and Dally Messenger are like a tragic double act

I think you’ll find, as soon as there are any problems at Wakefield, either financial or quota related, then, a certain poster gleefully comes on here to herald the news.

Anyhow, surely there’s a difference between a club facing a tax bill, and one relocating god knows how far away from the area of its ‘grass roots’.

I would feel quote sorry for the Celtic fans who have taken to the game, however the amount of gloating by certain posters when the licences were dished out, was totally out of order.

The gulf between the expansionists & traditionalists is as wide as ever, but at least the traditionalist can now have a wry smile & say ‘told you it wouldn’t work in South Wales’.

It’s a shame Bridgend’s not the Capital, it could have limped on for a fair few years yet.

The fact is hasn't worked in South Wales to date is because we're being run by a bunch of amateurs and our money man wants no more to do with it, or cannot have any more to do with us through lack of money. Simple as that really. If we had better people on board who didn't drop clangers like the VISA rubbish and numerous other things then we might have a bit of credit for things like junior development. As it is mud sticks and people only remember the bad things.

The facts outside of the bad running of this club are a lot of youngsters coming through, quite a few of those youngsters a part of the European Cup winning Wales squad, a 3,668 average who watched a team that wasn't that great by any stretch of the imagination. There are also around 20 times as many schools now taking part in competitive games against one another in comparison to 3 years ago. This is mainly due to Crusaders work in the community. As I say take away the bad running of this club and we have done ok. Not outstanding in some areas, I'll be the first to admit, but we've done very well in others and it's been far from a failure apart from the running of the club and Leighton Samuel wanting out.

I just hope we can find some South Wales organisation that will pump money in and can keep us down here to continue the good work.

and how many of them were away fans. with only a 100 season tickets sold and a few free entry there was no way it could work a shame but that is the top and bottom of it. they were not ready for sl and the main blame goes to lewis who fell to the blackmail of LS

Does anybody know why he wants out? Surely whatever the club has lost (or whatever funding was required) a successful businessman could have predicted?