Buderus?

Greg Bird.

Hmmm. I'm not convinced. Bailey is very average, but he's a very tough player and anyone who can work as hard as he can for 80 minutes in SOO must have a little bit about them. I'm not convinced Wilkin could.

Wilkin gets through lots more work than Bailey on a weekly basis.

In one more appearance in SL this year Wilkin has made 41 more carries, 288 more metres, 234 more tackles, 33 more tackle busts, 36 more marker tackles and 11 more clean breaks. He is also constantly running dummy lines for the rest of the team.

He does give away more penalties and make more errors, but considering how much more work he does than Bailey both in defence and attack it's hardly surprising.

He's more a Mike Bennett - looking at Benno's '07 stats when he was fit compared to Bailey in 09 they're pretty similar but Benno made more tackles, missed less tackles, made more breaks, bust more tackles and scored more tries. Bennett isn't in Wilkin's league and neither is Bailey.

Benno was a decent British squad player on a normal wage, Bailey is an overseas spot on a wedge. It doesn't make sense and Wigan should shift him out.

Wilkin isn't even in the top 4 British SR's.

Yes, but compared to the rest of the Wigan team he's a superstar

its a known fact that all saints players are average, its just that every player around them is a superstar!

Sadly this is true.

Didn't say he was, doesn't say much for Bailey though.

1 of only 5 players currently in SL that have won an Ashes series. SOO winner and Wilkin can't even get selected. Doesn't say much, no.

He's better than Farrell and Sculthorpe too then.

didn't they lose Gene Miles in 92

it's a bit slow on here today

Not really. Just better than Wilkin.

Riiiiiiight.

Wilkin is an excellent player. The Saints boo boys were on his case for years (some still are) before opinions started to change. He is not and never will be your traditional blockbusting second row. But he excels in all the areas most fans can't be d understanding: His fitness and workrate are prodigious, he tackles aggressively and a stone above his weight (almost always the first player in to challenge the opposition's strongest forward), he supports the ball carrier (which has seen him bag a number of tries in big games), he's an intelligent player with hand and foot and has a terrific attitude. In the close season he appears to have tweaked his game to the point where he's making two or three times the number of clean breaks he did previously,

Definitely one of the first names on the teamsheet at Saints.

Wilkin excellent?

Have a look at the way he was totally out of his depth during the world cup!

Phil Collins and Phil Bailey - Easy Lover

Always thought he was wrong to change careers, should have stuck with the singing

I am pretty sure that Bailey would look better than Wilkin in the world class saints team. Bailey has played SOO and played for Aus. Bailey would be a great team player but we don't have a team so he is completely useless.

Wilkin has the odd good game but most of the time just keeps his reputation by looking interested and trying to get involved.

Everyone seems to keep bringing up Baileys SOO appearences, yet when Saints do the same about Flannery, they get told he's still average?



Bailey isn't in the same league as Wilkin.

Flannery played around the world class players of saints but Bailey is stuck with our rubbish players, but Flannery was still average in a truely amazing team.

Flannery played around the world class of players of Saints to get picked for SOO? He has 10 SOO appearances compared to Baileys 3, yet ones average and the other isn't. Flannery is a much better player than Bailey.

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Bailey is gash. Hes found his level at Wigan

I just hope our policy on him doesn't change now with the Hock situation.

He's exactly the type of player British clubs shouldn't be signing because he's no better then what we have in the u21's, infact he isn't as good.

He tries hard and he does seem a decent bloke but thats not enough.

Mossop, Flanagan and especially Liam Farrell look ready for the step up next season.