show me a rugby referee who never had an interest in RL until he was a ref in the super league and ill show my out off ackos fun bus all the way to barrow.

ben is from normington it is very likely that he was a wakey fan as a kid and having seen him officate many wakey games he seems to be quite neutral in fact a little bit too neutral at times.

although all it would take is the rfl to a revert back to no home town refs .

that way he could make sure cas and leeds always lose

Well said. RL seems to be the only sport where fans have a problem with home town officials.
Either an official is neutral or he isn't.

I can understand your annoyed, and although you were never going to win you certainly were not helped. Trust me Trinity fans have been there more times than you can imagine when it comes to dodgy reffing.

However Thaler is not pro Wakey and so what if his brother supports us, he is entitled to support whom he wants. The VR gave you the harshest calls as Thaler clearly referred all the doubtfull ones to him.

It's crap at the bottom but just move on you will get it in the end - whining doesn't help unless your Wes or a Hudd fan in general then it's a birth right

The only difference that the Refs made was to your points difference really though. Crusaders were inept in many areas, ball retention mainly.

Although I do have sympathy for Celtic, it made no difference on the outcome of the game.

Ben Thaler is just a donkey

Tell who your coach is cant you......

The decision at the KR vs Wire match was a bit weird.

5 seconds left; "Time off" the scrum is formed.
*Hooter*
Silverwood/Bentham whoever it was blows up.
"Sir, you took the time off!"
"No I didn't Lee."

Fair enough there was 5 seconds left but why blatantly lie. Then fans moan "Berrr this is turning into football" but in football a referee makes a decision and sticks with it and doesn't make a decision then denies doing so.

He stopped the clock but once the hooter goes he has to call time if the ball is dead unless it's a penalty.

It was the time keepers who got it wrong

as a celtic fan i was a bit annoyed to not be able to either attend or watch last nights game so i'm not going to comment on the game however what i will say is that karma is a beautiful thing and will even itself out eventually.

some might say this is karma in action because we got a license we shouldn't have had, maybe it is. however its pointless debating something we can't change either it was so bad that someone needs to officially complain to the RFL for a full investigation into the suitability of this ref at this level to which the response will be the only way to get up to the level needed is to ref at that level . i.e tough $hit. or they'll just ignore it.

we're stuck with him the result is on the board i just hope we don't get him again

Mutts where the fook is that.

He is from Normanton which is between Wakey & Cas.
Ben as reffed us before & screwed us also in the past. It's swings & roundabouts.

Quite simple - tackle deemed complete -- the ball is dead , no advantage can be played,after a tackle is made the ball has to be brought back into play(by playing the ball).

100%correct decision.

As I already said though, if we're saying the tackle was complete then how was it not a penalty? The Celtic player continued to drag the Wakefield player back and he lost the ball in the process. If it was already complete then he should have been penalised for not releasing the player/ interference at the play the ball then shouldn't he?

Could anybody clear up the defused bomb, or not? As somebody else mentioned contradicting decisions seemed to be given in the 2 games, anybody know for sure?

Thats a fair comment,but in Aliberts opinion,Blaymire lost the ball after the tackle was completed.He could have ruled a penalty to Wakefield,if he deemed the Celtic player hadnt released Blaymire and continued to affect the tackle even though it was already complete.
However, the one thing he couldnt do, was play on.

You can knock on after a tackle is complete and before playing the ball. It still counts as a knock on. Blaymire voluntarily released the ball after the tackle, making it a knock on. Alibert even awarded the scrum to Celtic.

It should have been play on and the try given.

Sorry,but youre wrong - below is from the rule book.

Losing possession 8.
– intentionally
– accidentally

A tackled player shall not intentionally part with the
ball other than by bringing it into play in the
prescribed manner. If, after being tackled, he
accidentally loses possession, a scrum shall be
formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.

Summary:

1. Decisions moaned about actually spot on
2. Posters whingeing about them need to read RL Rules For Dummies, then apologise

do the bbc have access to the official time keepers, or do they use there own?
who does the ref go off, the official ones or the bbc one's?


just because bbc said they was 5 seconds left, that doesn't mean they was on the official one when he sticks his hand in the air

Think BBC's stops with the offical time, im not sure if they use their own or not.

i'm sure they do try stop at the same time, but over 40 minutes with lots of stoppages, 5 seconds isn't much error range.

So you're saying that every time a player loses the ball following a tackle, a scrum must be called instantly? No advantage played under any conditions?

Refs have been getting it wrong for years, then.

Edit: Actually, having read the notes to the rules on losing the ball, it's not abundantly clear what should happen when the ball is released voluntarily rather than accidentally. Also, without reviewing the footage, it's not clear whether the momentum of the tackle was continuous or whether Blaymire was stopped dead and then dragged. If the former, the tackle wasn't complete until he stopped moving; if the latter, it should have been a penalty to Wakefield.

Yes - And I think you'll find that's what has happened for years.

Once the tackle is complete, the ball is dead - recovery by the defence doesn't bring the ball back in play, the ball is still dead and can only be brought back into play by a legal play-the-ball.

Exactly.

And lets not forget that one of those two timekeepers is a Warrington employee.

Ref in getting it right shocker!

I would have thought the relevant passage would be the part about advantage played.