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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Then I put it to you that Angela Powers "research" for the weekend is about on par with her "what is the best stadium in SL and I'm going to skew the results so its the team I support" articles a couple of years back.'"
To be fair, she was spot on with that. Other than the fans wandering round with shirts on, there was absolutely no evidence whatsoever in the city that a major event was on. There should have been billboards, posters, info points selling tickets and merchandise, maybe even a fanzone. But there was nothing.
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| I was impressed with the weekend, thoroughly enjoyed it, Edinburgh isnt as cheap a city as Cardiff, its a tourist hot spot, possibly, second after London in the UK, and thats why things where a little more expensive.
Simply put a great time , but would prefer to see all derbies if possible.
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| How many of the 59,749 attended both days though? I'm sure the number of individuals who actually attended over the whole weekend would be a far more interesting figure.
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| Quote ="Chris Joynt"They reckon that 10% of the crowd were locals.
That's a crowd of 6000 for a place that doesn't even have a team!
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6,000 tickets sold in Scotland doesn't necessarily mean 6,000 people. If they all attended both days that would be 3,000 people.
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| Quote ="Derwent"6,000 tickets sold in Scotland doesn't necessarily mean 6,000 people. If they all attended both days that would be 3,000 people.'"
6000 tickets sold is 6000 tickets sold, end of story. Handwringing about how many were for what day and how many bought tickets for each day is mindless twaddle.
You buy a season ticket, you go one week and you are counted as attending, you go again the next week you are counted again, that is how it works.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"6000 tickets sold is 6000 tickets sold, end of story. Handwringing about how many were for what day and how many bought tickets for each day is mindless twaddle.
You buy a season ticket, you go one week and you are counted as attending, you go again the next week you are counted again, that is how it works.'"
Nope. Not at modern stadiums.
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| Quote ="BalearicHullFan"Nope. Not at modern stadiums.'"
WTF has age of a stadium got to do with counting fans?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"WTF has age of a stadium got to do with counting fans?'"
Modern one only count every other fan to dodge the taxman
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"WTF has age of a stadium got to do with counting fans?'"
That's easy. You divide the age of Murrayfield, in minutes by (the volume of concrete in the west stand in cubits / the weight of 23 Brazilian anacondas in pounds avoirdupois) = 17
(which is the number of actual paying customers).
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"That's easy. You divide the age of Murrayfield, in minutes by (the volume of concrete in the west stand in cubits / the weight of 23 Brazilian anacondas in pounds avoirdupois) = 17
(which is the number of actual paying customers).'"
Ah, the RFU/IRB method.
Didn't 73 billion people (or other life forms) watch the last Union World Cup final?
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| Quote ="BalearicHullFan"Nope. Not at modern stadiums.'"
WTF? Are you seriously saying that when you buy a season ticket – or pass - at Hull, you're only counted as attending one game, no matter how many you actually go to? Because I don't believe for one minute that that's the case.
Not sure how many season passes Hull has sold, but I believe it's in the throusands – and I don't believe the Hull posted attendance drops by Xthousand season ticket holders from the second home game on.,
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| Quote ="tb"WTF? Are you seriously saying that when you buy a season ticket – or pass - at Hull, you're only counted as attending one game, no matter how many you actually go to? Because I don't believe for one minute that that's the case.
Not sure how many season passes Hull has sold, but I believe it's in the throusands – and I don't believe the Hull posted attendance drops by Xthousand season ticket holders from the second home game on.,'"
I suspect he means that if you get a season pass, but don't go to one of the games for whatever reason, then you won't be counted in the attendance figures at that game rather than being counted as attending every game irrespective of if you go or not.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"I suspect he means that if you get a season pass, but don't go to one of the games for whatever reason, then you won't be counted in the attendance figures at that game rather than being counted as attending every game irrespective of if you go or not.'"
That (the idea not the post) makes no sense, surely fire, health and safety regs mean all stadia have to count attendance as accurately as possible?
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"I suspect he means that if you get a season pass, but don't go to one of the games for whatever reason, then you won't be counted in the attendance figures at that game rather than being counted as attending every game irrespective of if you go or not.'"
Of course you're not counted if you're not there. Why would you be?
It is an "attendance" figure". It isn't an "attendance + season ticket holders" figure.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Of course you're not counted if you're not there. Why would you be?
It is an "attendance" figure". It isn't an "attendance + season ticket holders" figure.'"
You'd think so wouldn't you but apparently not
Quote ="BalearicHullFan"Nope. Not at modern stadiums.'"
clueless
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Of course you're not counted if you're not there. Why would you be?
It is an "attendance" figure". It isn't an "attendance + season ticket holders" figure.'"
you wouldn't be. Which is what I said.
(and technically, it would be attendance + non attending season ticket holders )
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| I dont know if what he implied was true or not, I don't know enough about how those things work but whooosh you lot missed his point completely.
Clueless? thats you big boy, considering what he said has absolutely nothing to do with what youre on about
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| Quote ="BalearicHullFan"Nope. Not at modern stadiums.'"
Come on. we are waiting for the cutting edge way of counting an attendance...
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Come on. we are waiting for the cutting edge way of counting an attendance...'"
And we will wait a good while
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| ok really modern stadiums have computerised counters which lock each gate when its allocation has gone, there results in total are sent to a central database for crowd control reasons and official figures.
however......super league attendance figures, god knows, i heard at one point these kids tickets that are a tenner was so each club could include each one in every away gane
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.
strangley if thats true its a very easy way of hitting the 8000 target.
and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?
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| Quote ="chapster"ok really modern stadiums have computerised counters which lock each gate when its allocation has gone, there results in total are sent to a central database for crowd control reasons and official figures.
however......super league attendance figures, god knows, i heard at one point these kids tickets that are a tenner was so each club could include each one in every away gane
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.
strangley if thats true its a very easy way of hitting the 8000 target.
and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?'"
Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Thats just madness, running a business and declaring to the taxman a higher income than you actually have??
And freebies do count its people through the door, not what they paid that counts.'"
no your missing the point
income has nothing to do with attendances, its a balance sheet item on the clubs accounts. far easier to fiddle the kids entry to parent than the attnedance, especially if you used shared gates.
i am merely asking what the real criteria for the super league franchise 8000 attendance target includes / excludes.
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| Quote ="chapster"
so for example if wakey has sold 300 its 300 every time we play away regardless of whether they go.'"
No they don't, attendance must be an accurate figure of who is in the ground, this is a H&S requirement.
Quote ="chapster"and also if kids get freebies to be part of entertainment etc do they count?'"
Yes.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"No they don't, attendance must be an accurate figure of who is in the ground, this is a H&S requirement.
not the point again.
are you aware of the difference between the attendance and the official attendance?
one, the attendance, you are correct is for h+s and is bums on seats and one may be adjusted, im just not sure by who .
ie its the diffenernce between paid attendees and officially sold tickets
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| That might be why you get different figures announced for the same game, never knew that.
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