Fyi yes I do. The Saints player was 2 yards offside at the play the ball and was advancing towards DB. DB was shaping to kick but the Saints player is in his way. He has to check and re-adjust himself resulting in poor kick.

Now watch it again and see if you see it that way. If you don't, tell me why. If you can't tell me why then I will take it you have no understanding.

Having viewed your comments over the years on here, you are great at little one liners but not so good at constructive comments. Says alot about journalists now a days.

So you didn't see him refereeing in the world cup in 2000 then?

oooh get her

so he had an off day

I have seen hime ref a few times, going back a few years and he is a decent ref, controls a game well enough and lets the game play itself

Ever thought that maybe he too let the emotion of last night get to him a bit at all?

Or is it just the nature of RL fans that they absolutely have to whine like little girls with scraped knees on ever single subject?

As has been said, want to do better? Get off your backsides and have a go. When you have failed miserably you can come back and whine about how the courses were good enough etc etc.

Its quite common for refs to struggle when they first come into SL. Some ofthe better ones (and I'm not naming names as it would only sidetrack the debate) were poor in their first season. The pace of the game is so much quicker they inevitably struggle to get into the right position to make a call.

When the ball is kicked out on the full it doesn't result in a scrum.

In general play and not on the 5th what does it result in?

Ive seen Alibert ref 2 Quins games this year and to be honest have enjoyed the games. He lets the game flow. Having said that at times he can be a bit weak and his hand signals need to improve.

Having done a bit of reffing the most difficult decisions for me were when the ball comes lose when there are players on the floor. You are unsighted. To give a penalty, which is what sky were suggesting last night, when you haven't seen an offence cannot be right, no matter what you may be thinking. Additionally the ball carrier has a duty to protect the ball.

Unfortunately, this thread suggests otherwise. You've launched a diatribe against M Alibert's alleged incompetence based on

1) he reffed the offside [i in exactly the same way[/i as every other ref in the world, talking to players, telling them they're offside and warning them not to get involved in play

2) your [i personal opinion[/i that a player who wasn't interfering with play, was - based solely on the evidence that Danny Brough kicked out on the full. I've watched Danny play many times over the years: when he' good, he's brilliant; but he is a mercurial player more than capable of kicking out on the full on his own.

My comment stands.

This is a massive part of the problem, Eddie and Stevo, and Phil increasingly are becoming more and more inane in their commentary, and are more and more often adopting the bias of commentating as a fan of one side or another rather than just calling the game.

I hate to do this but at least for the most part the ocker commentators call the game, if the ref makes a bad call, they say its a bad call AND THEN MOVE ON, they dont harp back to it time and time again

Really!

I could be wrong, but I bet it can!

I've often thought the same about you, now you have confirmed my suspicion.

Those people on this board, who drove the superb Ashley Klein out of this country with their ridiculous and relentless denunciations and taunts (remember "Ashley Klown"?), should take a good look in the mirror before they start asking where the good referees have gone.

As for M. Thierry Alibert, he is renowned as an affable man with a good command of English (certainly better than some of the dopes on here), who loves to share a beer with fans after the game. I suspect that the nastiness of some of the commentary on here, with its xenophobic undertones, is going to make that nice personal touch a little less likely from now on.

I think your right in that it didn't influence the outcome and RL won. However when a ref allows that much lattitude for off sides and laying on teams like Saints are more likely to benefit. Not because they are dirty but because they are smart. The refs job is to use the rules to create as level a playing field as possible. He failed to do that thus Saints got a few more scoring chances than they didn't desrve and promptly put them to bed as expected.

Saints were better than us but not 30 points IMHO - but as you say it makes no odds, Trinity players hearts were in it but their heads were clearly in bits. Had it been otherwisw it might have been closer.

Just like to remind everyone that all emotion aside that Trinity team was still 8 first teamers short, most notably Brad Drew and THREE first choice props which I thought most telling against a big Saints pack.

Finally James Graham was superb, I really don't care what the NRL propagandist will say I think he is one of the tbest props in the world and was a major difference.

Any possible credibility lost just there

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cant do ref mate i,m too busy coaching

speak about people who havent got a clue, and along comes vastman.

Fair enough.

Coach your team to respect the match officials as well wont you

None of them are of a good standard. As proved by Silverwood now, imagining a knock on.

and missing tickle's

Too many poor decisions that lead to tries. Happens every game.

They are all of a good standard, none of them are perfect though

if they were, sites like these would be a lot duller

No they are gash.

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& we warned people on here about how bad he was last year when he was given a few SL games..... he sounds like a robot who has been programmed to shout "2 feet"...."hold".... "movement".....

It was his Mrs who drove him out of this country, nothing to do with any denunciations or taunts. She wanted to live in Oz, simple as. Klein had to make a decision stay here and ref without his wife and kids or ref in Oz and be with his wife and kids.

So it boils down he's a bad ref ... he's got a funny accent. wow.