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| Quote ="roughyedspud"icon_lol.gif'"
im sure oldham make a profit
after all its not like they have to pay for hot water at the stadium given its lacking in the whole suburb
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| why would i care if the stadium has hot water or not??? it's not our stadium
and i can tell you now we don't make a profit either
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| Quote ="dally messenger"RL clubs arent supposed to make a profits. in the NRL only 1 or 2 do make profits, the rest rely on income from other sources (leagues club, sugar daddy, news ltd) to cover the shortfall each clubs has
to operate an NRL club you need around $15 million, the top clubs spend $20 million, whilst the amount of money from TV is only around $3.5 million'"
It's a bit different in Australia though Dally, especially in the running costs.
In the UK clubs are run as a business that hopefully will be self sustaining.
There are some clubs with sugar daddies and without them the club would struggle but there's certainly a few clubs self sustaining/profit making, thinking, Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington, Hull KR, Catalans. I bet Huddersfield arent FAR off either this year.
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| Quote ="Starbug"
Do the Quins have a full time CEO and marketing man yet ? , maybe they shouldn't get the 1.2 million until they have
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We have a ft commercial manager and a ft media manager and other staff looking after the sales and marketing side. The ft CEO role is currently vacant, but we have a pretty strong board looking after things.
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| Quote ="Dico"It's a bit different in Australia though Dally, especially in the running costs.
In the UK clubs are run as a business that hopefully will be self sustaining.
There are some clubs with sugar daddies and without them the club would struggle but there's certainly a few clubs self sustaining/profit making, thinking, Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington, Hull KR, Catalans. I bet Huddersfield arent FAR off either this year.'"
think its fairly similar.
in SL, if you want to spend the full salary cap then in general you need an outside backer as crowds, sponsorship and TV arent enough (maybe wigan are self sustaining, and probably leeds as well?)
which is what it is in the nrl except for the broncos.
with the current salary cap the broncos can spend the full amount and still make a profit of $2 - 3 million pa.
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| I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.
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| Quote ="Dico"I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.'"
Cas averaged 7500 last year, and spent about 1.1 million.
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| hmm but the extra 300k would take you to 1.4 mill.
It might need to be 8500 then but either way you could run a decent club on that without the need for a director putting a fortune in.
Plus I bet Cas spend a lot on ground maintenence like Saints do.
Can't remember what they were but saints announced their figures a few months ago and i remember being quite astonished at what it costs them to keep KR in a health certificate.
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| Quote ="Dico"hmm but the extra 300k would take you to 1.4 mill.
It might need to be 8500 then but either way you could run a decent club on that without the need for a director putting a fortune in.
Plus I bet Cas spend a lot on ground maintenence like Saints do.
Can't remember what they were but saints announced their figures a few months ago and i remember being quite astonished at what it costs them to keep KR in a health certificate.'"
I believe cas will be spending 1.35 million this year with an aim of spending full cap next year though the economy may alter those plans somewhat.
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This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread:
www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.
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This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread:
www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.
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Quote ="SEB"This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread:
www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.'"
interesting to see such a frank breakdown of income and costs, don't quite know what the 700k 'other' bit can be though?
and surprised they aren't selling a bit more merchandise, as I know Hull broke the Million £ barrier for merchandise last year, and Warringtons crowds aren't that much smaller than ours.
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www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.'"
interesting to see such a frank breakdown of income and costs, don't quite know what the 700k 'other' bit can be though?
and surprised they aren't selling a bit more merchandise, as I know Hull broke the Million £ barrier for merchandise last year, and Warringtons crowds aren't that much smaller than ours.
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| Quote ="Dico"I'd have thought in SL that if you averaged over 7000ish then you could be pretty much at the cap without an overly wealthy backer with too much input. The amounts needed are nowhere near that of the NRL clubs.
Again, could be wrong.'"
i guess a bit higher.
les cats got a bit higher than that and still needed outside money.
it does depend on sponsorship, rent at ground etc but id guess 8500 - 9000.
the NRL it seems to be 17,000 - 20,000
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Quote ="SEB"This info is for the year ending Nov 2007, so is a little out of date, but should still prove interesting reading for people on this thread:
www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.'"
crowds at just under 10,000, full salary cap and no rent.
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www.warringtonwolves.org/news/Wolves38519.ink
Basically, Warrington's Income for 2007 was £4.873m and Expenditure was £4.775m - so an operating profit of £98k.'"
crowds at just under 10,000, full salary cap and no rent.
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| one of the problems is that there is vat (15%) on all income but the highest expenses, wages, is not subject to vat to be offset against the income vat
mostclubs have a net vat bill of 300k plus per year
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| Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"We have a ft commercial manager and a ft media manager and other staff looking after the sales and marketing side. The ft CEO role is currently vacant, but we have a pretty strong board looking after things.'"
It wasn't meant as a criticism Kelvin
Leigh also have a F/T commercial manager and other P/T sales and marketing staff , and that is as well as the LSV stadium having thier own commercial,Marketing and sales people
We have a P/T CEO who works for the Owners company
But the RFL have told them to access the funds available they need to employ yet another person whose remit will be to bring in ' new outside extra corporate ' money to the club , they also require this person to meet certain percentages over his stated salary or the money will be withdrawn
Now you are based in London and have a large business community to pitch to
We are in Leigh and well we dont really have wall to wall millionaires just queing up to spend a few hundred thousand on a hobby
The RFL seem to think we do have
Which tells me a lot about them and thier understanding of NL/Championship RL
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| Quote ="Starbug"It wasn't meant as a criticism Kelvin
Leigh also have a F/T commercial manager and other P/T sales and marketing staff , and that is as well as the LSV stadium having thier own commercial,Marketing and sales people
We have a P/T CEO who works for the Owners company
But the RFL have told them to access the funds available they need to employ yet another person whose remit will be to bring in ' new outside extra corporate ' money to the club , they also require this person to meet certain percentages over his stated salary or the money will be withdrawn
Now you are based in London and have a large business community to pitch to
We are in Leigh and well we dont really have wall to wall millionaires just queing up to spend a few hundred thousand on a hobby
The RFL seem to think we do have
Which tells me a lot about them and thier understanding of NL/Championship RL'"
Wouldn't these be problems in Super League too?
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| Quote ="Dico"Wouldn't these be problems in Super League too?'"
Sorry I dont understand your point ?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"i guess a bit higher.
les cats got a bit higher than that and still needed outside money.
it does depend on sponsorship, rent at ground etc but id guess 8500 - 9000.
the NRL it seems to be 17,000 - 20,000'"
For a number of NRL clubs though they are paid to play at the stadium and only get a minor cut of gate receipts, it's usuall around $100k a game. At an average of $20 a ticket that is only 5,000 through the gate. No wonder clubs with better stadium deals like Newcastle, NQ etc work harder to get fans in and make alot more money through gameday income.
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| ps good to see Warrington being so honest and upfront with the fans, i wish all clubs (including my own) would do the same. It can act as a motivator to the faithful to dip into their pockets a little more if need be.
Surprised Wolves spend an extra 1.4mill on slaries above and beyond the first team squad salaries. Must be those Aussie wives in the shop!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"For a number of NRL clubs though they are paid to play at the stadium and only get a minor cut of gate receipts, it's usuall around $100k a game. At an average of $20 a ticket that is only 5,000 through the gate. No wonder clubs with better stadium deals like Newcastle, NQ etc work harder to get fans in and make alot more money through gameday income.'"
its a guaranteed $100,000 per game but if the crowd gets over a certain figure then the club shares it with the ground
the clubs have said that the $100,000 at homebush makes more money than 10,000 - 12,000 at a traditional ground like leichhardt oval.
the clubs that have moved to homebush permanantly like the dogs, tigers and souths have all seen very large crowds there.
the dogs got 38,000 for the roosters match last year.
souths have had a couple of crowds over 30,000
crowds are growing because of homebush
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| then why do fans b1tch and moan so much about it?
I oersonally hate the ground, too big, too far away form the pitch, tands not elevated enough, expensive and when it rains the bottom two tiers get soaked. Only thing it has going for it is capacity, good chance those games would have drawn equally large gates if the clubs home grounds had a big enough capacity.
ps there has been plenty of sub 10,000 crowds in there as well. I still don't understand how a sold out Leichardt with 17,000 in can make less money. The local council must be charging teh Tigers an arm and a leg to play there!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"ps good to see Warrington being so honest and upfront with the fans, i wish all clubs (including my own) would do the same. It can act as a motivator to the faithful to dip into their pockets a little more if need be.
Surprised Wolves spend an extra 1.4mill on slaries above and beyond the first team squad salaries. Must be those Aussie wives in the shop!'"
They have to be for the shareholders. Same as I could go into HSBC now and look at Lloyds Banking's balance sheet...not that i'd want to
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| Quote ="Dico"They have to be for the shareholders. Same as I could go into HSBC now and look at Lloyds Banking's balance sheet...not that i'd want to
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Surely you would be able to see Llloyds TSB under the Public Information Act these days...
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"then why do fans b1tch and moan so much about it?
I oersonally hate the ground, too big, too far away form the pitch, tands not elevated enough, expensive and when it rains the bottom two tiers get soaked. Only thing it has going for it is capacity, good chance those games would have drawn equally large gates if the clubs home grounds had a big enough capacity.
ps there has been plenty of sub 10,000 crowds in there as well. I still don't understand how a sold out Leichardt with 17,000 in can make less money. The local council must be charging teh Tigers an arm and a leg to play there!'"
when theres 30,000 there the atmos is quite good. people whinge because for crowds of 10,000 or so it gets lost in a stadium that big.
with leichhardt they have to hire a big screen for the VR, thats something ike 10,000 - 20,000 and security and stuff.
the nrl has encouraged clubs to take the less attractive games away from homebush but keep the big games there.
homenush allows the better clubs to market themselves and grow their crowds so lets judge it 10 years down the track
i think youll see the dogs, souths and tigers all average 25,000 - 30,000
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