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| whilst I dont agree with some of the venues chosen for the 4nations - why do the people of Hull feel like they should be guaranteed a test match every year? There are plenty of options around the country.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"whilst I dont agree with some of the venues chosen for the 4nations - why do the people of Hull feel like they should be guaranteed a test match every year? There are plenty of options around the country.'"
We dont feel we should be - but 20,000 plus crowds every year, the RFL 2 weeks ago stating Hull was one of the first choices for a game, and then the utter disdain shown from somebody who is meant to have an unbiased attitude toward the running of the stadium has left a bitter taste in the mouth.
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| Quote ="Irregs #16"We dont feel we should be - but 20,000 plus crowds every year, the RFL 2 weeks ago stating Hull was one of the first choices for a game, and then the utter disdain shown from somebody who is meant to have an unbiased attitude toward the running of the stadium has left a bitter taste in the mouth.'"
I missed the RFL saying that Hull was thier first choice...any links?
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| they did..i saw it..for what it's worth
iirc it was the kiwi game they wanted to take to teh kc
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"whilst I dont agree with some of the venues chosen for the 4nations - why do the people of Hull feel like they should be guaranteed a test match every year? There are plenty of options around the country.'"
You might have a point if the problem was on the side of the RFL but as the RFL wanted to host a game at the KC and the issue lies with the SMC you don't.
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| As the manager of the SMC surely his role is to bring in as much money from ground hire as possible. If I was the council I would want a please explain from him why he has turned down tens of thousands of pounds, not to mention the meony visiting fans bring in commerce for the city.
Re his comments he is either very brave or very stupid to insult Hull RL fans!!
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| Quote ="Dougy"Its a farce, Hull and Wigan football clubs in the Premier League are bad for RL. I'm just glad Huddersfield Town are nowhere near!'"
Tbh I don't even think its the fact they are in the Premier League. Manchester United still allow us to book Old Trafford each year for the Grand Final despite the fact the highest profile football manager in the world who manages the club there whinges about it nearly every year. It's the first time the current chairman of the SMC has had to negotiate an RL international and tbh I think he is selfish and a disgrace
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"As the manager of the SMC surely his role is to bring in as much money from ground hire as possible. If I was the council I would want a please explain from him why he has turned down tens of thousands of pounds, not to mention the meony visiting fans bring in commerce for the city.
Re his comments he is either very brave or very stupid to insult Hull RL fans!!'"
'Community' stadium my arris, if City did not exist it would not have been built, if FC did not exist it would. It was built mainly with football in mind and RL/FC will always play second fiddle to City. James Rule should be shouting his disgust at this insult to RL in Hull instead of 'no comment' the spineless little toad.
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| Quote ="rover49"'Community' stadium my arris, if City did not exist it would not have been built, if FC did not exist it would. It was built mainly with football in mind and RL/FC will always play second fiddle to City. James Rule should be shouting his disgust at this insult to RL in Hull instead of 'no comment' the spineless little toad.'"
Not once have Hull City been unfairly put over Hull FC since it opened, and vice versa. In fact, the only time there has been a big issue was when a Hull City game against Ipswich was moved to a different kick off time so that Hull FC could play at the kick off time Sky wanted.
Agree about James Rule though. It's a shame there seems to be such animosity (sp) between the boards at FC and KR as a joint statement from both Rule and Hudgel slating the decision and the reason behind it would have been much more effective than the dribs and drabs that are coming out from both clubs at the moment
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| Quote ="The Key"Not once have Hull City been unfairly put over Hull FC since it opened, and vice versa. In fact, the only time there has been a big issue was when a Hull City game against Ipswich was moved to a different kick off time so that Hull FC could play at the kick off time Sky wanted.
Agree about James Rule though. It's a shame there seems to be such animosity (sp) between the boards at FC and KR as a joint statement from both Rule and Hudgel slating the decision and the reason behind it would have been much more effective than the dribs and drabs that are coming out from both clubs at the moment'"
Thing is, I don't really see why it's Rule or Hudgell's business. It's not like they're getting any money out of it. If people want to watch top-class RL, they'll have to go to FC or KR now.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Thing is, I don't really see why it's Rule or Hudgell's business. It's not like they're getting any money out of it. If people want to watch top-class RL, they'll have to go to FC now.'"
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| Quote ="rover49"'Community' stadium my arris, if City did not exist it would not have been built, if FC did not exist it would. It was built mainly with football in mind and RL/FC will always play second fiddle to City. James Rule should be shouting his disgust at this insult to RL in Hull instead of 'no comment' the spineless little toad.'"
How could the council warrant building a near £50m stadium on a Division Three football club?
If you think it would have happened without FC, you are deluding yourself.
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Quote ="rover49"'Community' stadium my arris, if City did not exist it would not have been built, if FC did not exist it would.'"
I think you'll find that it wouldn't have been built just for one team. Quoting from the following thread....
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Having been part of the team that drew up the tenancy agreement for the Stadium and made the presentations to the Government when the local authority was asking the gov for permission to spend the £43m on the Stadium (As you have to do with Capital expenditure fro LA reserves), I can assure you the building of the KC was dependant on having 'At least 2 of the local proffessional teams as tenants'. Under law an authority cannot build a stadium for one club it is not legal or ethical.
Look at the Council minutes if you want confirmation of this in fact the then Leader of the Council Pat Doyle had to assure the full council that it would be used by at least 2 clubs (Rovers turned the chance down) before the project was voted on!
Without both hull Fc and Hull City signing up to play there it would not have been built!
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I think you'll find that it wouldn't have been built just for one team. Quoting from the following thread....
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Having been part of the team that drew up the tenancy agreement for the Stadium and made the presentations to the Government when the local authority was asking the gov for permission to spend the £43m on the Stadium (As you have to do with Capital expenditure fro LA reserves), I can assure you the building of the KC was dependant on having 'At least 2 of the local proffessional teams as tenants'. Under law an authority cannot build a stadium for one club it is not legal or ethical.
Look at the Council minutes if you want confirmation of this in fact the then Leader of the Council Pat Doyle had to assure the full council that it would be used by at least 2 clubs (Rovers turned the chance down) before the project was voted on!
Without both hull Fc and Hull City signing up to play there it would not have been built!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Thing is, I don't really see why it's Rule or Hudgell's business. It's not like they're getting any money out of it. If people want to watch top-class RL, they'll have to go to FC or KR now.'"
International games are a great way of attracting new fans to the game, if they are used correctly
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| Quote ="rover49"'Community' stadium my arris, if City did not exist it would not have been built, if FC did not exist it would. It was built mainly with football in mind and RL/FC will always play second fiddle to City. James Rule should be shouting his disgust at this insult to RL in Hull instead of 'no comment' the spineless little toad.'"
What, on the basis of the average gate Hull City were getting when they left Boothferry park?
Alos, why no comment from Neil Hudgel? Oh, thats right, he is too self centred to comment on big issues in the game
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"What, on the basis of the average gate Hull City were getting when they left Boothferry park?
Alos, why no comment from Neil Hudgel? Oh, thats right, he is too self centred to comment on big issues in the game
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Not sure how old you are, but I can remember City getting 30k+ gates every season, in fact I went as a schoolkid to see them play Sheff utd and there was near to 40k in there. The stadium was never built with City being in the old 3rd division, but as a platform for them to get where they are now. In contrast FC and Rovers have never had these dizzy heights in attendances on a regular basis and never will, even when the capacities where not heavily policed by H$S they never got much more than they do now, so to say it was not with Hull City as the MAJOR partner in it is really dillusional.
For the record I am RL through and through and rarely watch football, but I realise that City playing Man utd or Liverpool will, always be far more attractive to the masses than FC playing whoever.
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| This isn't about FC its about RL fans in Hull being slapped in the face by a SMC that , for no good reason, is denying them (and the city) an Int game. Both sets of fans and clubs should be united and damning in their condemnation of this poor decision.
If this is how the guy goes about business I'd be worried about him running my club, never mind my stadium!
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| Quote ="rover49" so to say it was not with Hull City as the MAJOR partner in it is really dillusional.'"
That's not what you said. You said that the stadium would have been built even if Hull FC weren't involved. It wouldn't have. I don't question that Hull City were probably the major partner.
If you really think the council would build a £43million stadium for a Division Three football team with no sign of making it up the leagues, you are the dillusional one. At the time of talk of the stadium, City nearly went bust. I don't think they thought they'd be making the Championship (let alone the Premiership).
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| Is it straight up 50:50 ownership between FC and City??
If it isnt then who are we to argue that he can't hold games there? Its his overall final choice, if he dont want it, it aint gonna happen.
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| Quote ="Ande"Is it straight up 50:50 ownership between FC and City??
If it isnt then who are we to argue that he can't hold games there? Its his overall final choice, if he dont want it, it aint gonna happen.'"
no neither team owns the staduim the council does and thats run by the smc, which is headed by the hull city chairman!
priority between hull fc and hull city depends which club is at the buisness end of the season.
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| Quote ="rover49"Not sure how old you are, but I can remember City getting 30k+ gates every season, in fact I went as a schoolkid to see them play Sheff utd and there was near to 40k in there. The stadium was never built with City being in the old 3rd division, but as a platform for them to get where they are now. In contrast FC and Rovers have never had these dizzy heights in attendances on a regular basis and never will, even when the capacities where not heavily policed by H$S they never got much more than they do now, so to say it was not with Hull City as the MAJOR partner in it is really dillusional.
For the record I am RL through and through and rarely watch football, but I realise that City playing Man utd or Liverpool will, always be far more attractive to the masses than FC playing whoever.'"
yet when you combine the crowds for RL in Hull they are the same as soccer or very similar.
i hope the soccer team enjoy their time in premier league.
its good to see soccer acting so childishly in a land where its a major sport.
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| Quote ="rover49"Not sure how old you are, but I can remember City getting 30k+ gates every season, in fact I went as a schoolkid to see them play Sheff utd and there was near to 40k in there. The stadium was never built with City being in the old 3rd division, but as a platform for them to get where they are now. In contrast FC and Rovers have never had these dizzy heights in attendances on a regular basis and never will, even when the capacities where not heavily policed by H$S they never got much more than they do now, so to say it was not with Hull City as the MAJOR partner in it is really dillusional.
For the record I am RL through and through and rarely watch football, but I realise that City playing Man utd or Liverpool will, always be far more attractive to the masses than FC playing whoever.'"
I am 37.
Hull City have made it to the 6th round of the FA Cup for the first time in my life time. I am lead to understand that in the very early 1970's They played Stoke City in a cup replay and lost 2-3 where there was a crowd of over 42k. I started watching Hull City in the very late 70's, going with my Brother and my Uncle. The crowds were not more than 4000 at that time. I became a junior season ticket holder in 1983 and held a season ticket until adulthood but didn't renew my ticker in 1991. During this period of time Hull City's best average for a season was 8500 (+ / - a few). The biggest league gate they got in this time was on Box ing Day of 1983 when Shorpe United came to Boothferry Park adn 18k were there.
During this period of hte early 1980's there was an GB V Aus test match, Two Hull v hullkr finals and a Hull v Leeds game which all eclipsed gatewise any football match during that time.
Re can all recollect on bygone days, but quoting attendances from the 1960's is pointless. Just how many of those are still around.
I have no problem with Hull City as a football club. Infact, they have to be admired as how to market themselves and attract new followers.
However to even suggest Hull City are a partner is not just dillusional, its just plain incorrect. They are a tenant. No more, no less. The problem which is inherent is the perceived conflict of interest of the chairman of Hull City, who is also in charge of a company which runs the stadium on behalf of the owners, The City Council. The question remains, has He really acted in the best interested of the owners of the stadium, by rejecting the opportunity to generate what is likely to be close to £1m (combined amount) for all of the interested parties.
BTW, the answer is no
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| Quote ="rover49"Not sure how old you are, but I can remember City getting 30k+ gates every season, in fact I went as a schoolkid to see them play Sheff utd and there was near to 40k in there. The stadium was never built with City being in the old 3rd division, but as a platform for them to get where they are now. In contrast FC and Rovers have never had these dizzy heights in attendances on a regular basis and never will, even when the capacities where not heavily policed by H$S they never got much more than they do now, so to say it was not with Hull City as the MAJOR partner in it is really dillusional.'"
All very interesting, but irrelevant all the same.
The stadium would not have been built for ANY single club. It would have been illegal for the council to spend public funds to do so. No getting around that fact no matter how much some folk would like to ignore it.
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| Quote ="Kosh"All very interesting, but irrelevant all the same.
The stadium would not have been built for ANY single club. It would have been illegal for the council to spend public funds to do so. No getting around that fact no matter how much some folk would like to ignore it.'"
Interesting.
So Councils can build stadiums for two clubs sharing but not for one ?
Point me to that bit of legislation please, be interesting reading.
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