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| 4 thousand bricks wont get you far.
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| Quote ="j.c"4 thousand bricks wont get you far.'"
No but that & money from council & money from players we have already sold & money we generally had will.
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| Quote ="LewisJ23"No but that & money from council & money from players we have already sold & money we generally had will.
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Wanna total that up:
Let's say you sell 10,000 bricks- that's =#FF0000£500,000 (would you get taxed on it??)
=#FF0000£2,000,000 from WMDC- which has yet to be ratified and won't for another 10 days. Same applies for WT. So far from "in the bank" knowing our council, who I can see back tracking on both offers. Just glad we have Yorkcourt to pick up the tab.
£175,000 for Joe. But some was being used for the FPP application. So let's say =#FF0000£100,000 left
Anymore to come until WR is unlocked? Because that only comes to =#FF0000£2,669,930. Still some way short of £11,000,000.
Even with WR being sold for the £6,000,000 that still only gets you to =#FF4000£8,669,930; leaving an additional =#FF4000£2,330,070 still to find. With question marks still hanging over WR and the council loan £8,000,000 or that IMO is still to be confirmed.
I think WR will be sold eventually, possibly not in time for a 2012 move in at GH, but other than that I can't see a reason why GH is unattainable at all. £11,000,000 is a lot of money to find and it still might take longer than required but it's a certainty they will get there eventually. However as I said I think 2012 is a massive push for Cas in the current climate.
=#0040FFIF NM get's batted back to the WMDC within the next two weeks as I think it will I still think the door is open for NM and if Salford stumble too it could be the shining white horse of CT. Only on a temporarily mind- GH will be done by 2013 latest IMO.
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| is the council giving both wakey and cas £2 million and the land to build on ?.
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| Quote ="spooneryork"The RFL will bottle it cos it knows if it looks too closely at Stadia, Bradford and Hull KR & Leeds wouldn't exactly come out shinning! Making away fans stand in uncovered areas in 2010 is not really great. The RFL should be flexible if the stadiums are in the process of being built fair enough ( I mean being built, not just the groundworks being done! ) If not then boot em out!'" Is that the HKR that already spent over 1 million in ground improvemets?
Is that the HKR that will have added over another 1000 onto its capacity bafore that start of next season?
Is that the HKR that will have added a new north stand to CP before the 2012 season?
Is that the HKR you mean?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Is that the HKR that already spent over 1 million in ground improvemets?
Is that the HKR that will have added over another 1000 onto its capacity bafore that start of next season?
Is that the HKR that will have added a new north stand to CP before the 2012 season?
Is that the HKR you mean?'"
1000 extra for the east stand am i correct?
rest of the ground is still
as for the north stand, kr aimed to build that before 2010, so dont hold your breath on 2012
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"Wanna total that up:
Let's say you sell 10,000 bricks- that's =#FF0000£500,000 (would you get taxed on it??)
=#FF0000£2,000,000 from WMDC- which has yet to be ratified and won't for another 10 days. Same applies for WT. So far from "in the bank" knowing our council, who I can see back tracking on both offers. Just glad we have Yorkcourt to pick up the tab.
£175,000 for Joe. But some was being used for the FPP application. So let's say =#FF0000£100,000 left
Anymore to come until WR is unlocked? Because that only comes to =#FF0000£2,669,930. Still some way short of £11,000,000.
Even with WR being sold for the £6,000,000 that still only gets you to =#FF4000£8,669,930; leaving an additional =#FF4000£2,330,070 still to find. With question marks still hanging over WR and the council loan £8,000,000 or that IMO is still to be confirmed.
I think WR will be sold eventually, possibly not in time for a 2012 move in at GH, but other than that I can't see a reason why GH is unattainable at all. £11,000,000 is a lot of money to find and it still might take longer than required but it's a certainty they will get there eventually. However as I said I think 2012 is a massive push for Cas in the current climate.
=#0040FFIF NM get's batted back to the WMDC within the next two weeks as I think it will I still think the door is open for NM and if Salford stumble too it could be the shining white horse of CT. Only on a temporarily mind- GH will be done by 2013 latest IMO.'"
Main stadium sponsorship, four stand sponsorships, leasing facilities costs, fan contributions etc etc.
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| Quote ="number 6"1000 extra for the east stand am i correct?
rest of the ground is still poop
as for the north stand, kr aimed to build that before 2010, so dont hold your breath on 2012'"
But they have physically started building something
The ground is a little ' strange ' when compared to the ' norm '
As did others about much bigger projects , that dont have what New Craven Park has already
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| Quote ="Fully"=#FF0000Main stadium sponsorship, four stand sponsorships, leasing facilities costs, fan contributions etc etc.'"
Not a lot of any of these about ATM
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"Wanna total that up:
Let's say you sell 10,000 bricks- that's =#FF0000£500,000 (would you get taxed on it??)
=#FF0000£2,000,000 from WMDC- which has yet to be ratified and won't for another 10 days. Same applies for WT. So far from "in the bank" knowing our council, who I can see back tracking on both offers. Just glad we have Yorkcourt to pick up the tab.
£175,000 for Joe. But some was being used for the FPP application. So let's say =#FF0000£100,000 left
Anymore to come until WR is unlocked? Because that only comes to =#FF0000£2,669,930. Still some way short of £11,000,000.
Even with WR being sold for the £6,000,000 that still only gets you to =#FF4000£8,669,930; leaving an additional =#FF4000£2,330,070 still to find. With question marks still hanging over WR and the council loan £8,000,000 or that IMO is still to be confirmed.
I think WR will be sold eventually, possibly not in time for a 2012 move in at GH, but other than that I can't see a reason why GH is unattainable at all. £11,000,000 is a lot of money to find and it still might take longer than required but it's a certainty they will get there eventually. However as I said I think 2012 is a massive push for Cas in the current climate.
=#0040FFIF NM get's batted back to the WMDC within the next two weeks as I think it will I still think the door is open for NM and if Salford stumble too it could be the shining white horse of CT. Only on a temporarily mind- GH will be done by 2013 latest IMO.'"
Not a prayer of getting a new ground for only 11m. Not a prayer of getting 10000 Castleford people to pay 50 quid each for a brick. It would be very very optimistic to suggest they would get 6 Million for the Jungle considering how land prices have plummeted in the last few years. Only then its if they do finally get planning permission to build an houses on what is toxic land!
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| Quote ="Fully"Main stadium sponsorship, four stand sponsorships, leasing facilities costs, fan contributions etc etc.'"
How much do you think these sponsorships will raise? I would estimate at no more than 200 000.
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| Quote ="number 6"1000 extra for the east stand am i correct?
rest of the ground is still poop
as for the north stand, kr aimed to build that before 2010, so dont hold your breath on 2012'" CP has gone from being around 8k to just short 12k by the start of next season.
We also pull in an average of over 8k.
Oh and BTW the North will be done before 2012
Some other clubs could only dream of all this
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| Quote ="deeHell"How much do you think these sponsorships will raise? I would estimate at no more than 200 000.'"
200k? Pathetic.
Try, I don't know 10 times that figure maybe?
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| Quote ="Starbug"You hope it will be , dont start going all ' Salford ' on us Roverswall
'" I dont think I am yes it is a little behind but our past history suggests it will get done does it not?
Either way our friend from York clearly didn't have a Scooby about it or anything else
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| Quote ="Roverswall"CP has gone from being around 8k to just short 12k by the start of next season.
We also pull in an average of over 8k.
Oh and BTW the North will be done before 2012
Some other clubs could only dream of all this
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dont know why you are bothering.
Hull Kr are an example of what a smaller club which has been promoted from the champ. needs to do to stay in SL.
hull kr are a valuable addition to SL.
they are still improving as well, not promising the world and delivering nothing like the relegation favourites
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| Quote ="Fully"200k?
Pathetic.
Try, I don't know 10 times that figure maybe?'"
No where near, that kind of money you would be talking about one of the biggest sponsorship contracts in sporting history! Deluded!!!!
If you could get that much for stadium naming rights I'm sure many soccer teams would have made such a move. Just how much do you think a higher profile club like saints got for naming rights to KR? I know Wakey valued the naming rights to Belle Vue at 50K, which you would have to consider a similar club in profile and media exposure.
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| A new stadium will inevitably be worth a lot more in naming rights than either BV or WR.
But if you look at the B2Net stadium in Chesterfield (which GH is modelled upon) the total breakdown of naming rights is well below £1,000,000 even with B2Net sponsoring the stadium as a whole, as well as individual sponsors for the four stands (The 'HTM' main stand, The 'Karen Child' South Stand, The 'Midlands Co-op Community' East stand & The 'Printablity' North stand The North stand).
Let's for forget to the vast majority of the public football is a far bigger deal than RL, hence greater exposure for their business, which leads to.... Yes you guessed it; bigger sponsorships.
I would be astonished if any of the new builds in SL (NM, GH, Salford or Saints) managed to get anywhere near £500,000 in sponsorship from naming rights.
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| Quote ="deeHell"No where near, that kind of money you would be talking about one of the biggest sponsorship contracts in sporting history! Deluded!!!!
If you could get that much for stadium naming rights I'm sure many soccer teams would have made such a move. Just how much do you think a higher profile club like saints got for naming rights to KR? I know Wakey valued the naming rights to Belle Vue at 50K, which you would have to consider a similar club in profile and media exposure.'"
Four stands plus the whole stadium naming rights? By your definition that's probably about £25k for each stand and £100k for the stadium naming rights.
Now considering we've just got one of the highest shirt sponsorships in Super League worth six figures, don't you think that the stadium, which is going to be mentioned in every article about matches there, on the radio, in magazines, etc etc, is going to be a more lucrative and valuable publicity machine for any company than a shirt, which you see on Sky, what 6/7 times a season? Come off it. The naming rights alone are going to significantly higher than what you said, especially if it's over a long term period.
If you were saying over one year, I'd probably agree, but it's likely to be over a five-year period or ten year period, no?
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"A new stadium will inevitably be worth a lot more in naming rights than either BV or WR.
But if you look at the B2Net stadium in Chesterfield (which GH is modelled upon) the total breakdown of naming rights is well below £1,000,000 even with B2Net sponsoring the stadium as a whole, as well as individual sponsors for the four stands (The 'HTM' main stand, The 'Karen Child' South Stand, The 'Midlands Co-op Community' East stand & The 'Printablity' North stand The North stand).
Let's for forget to the vast majority of the public football is a far bigger deal than RL, hence greater exposure for their business, which leads to.... Yes you guessed it; bigger sponsorships.
I would be astonished if any of the new builds in SL (NM, GH, Salford or Saints) managed to get anywhere near £500,000 in sponsorship from naming rights.'"
And where did you find a breakdown of Chesterfield's sponsorship incomes? A quick look on their website reveals nothing.
Prepare to be astonished, I'd say.
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| Quote ="deeHell"No where near, that kind of money you would be talking about one of the biggest sponsorship contracts in sporting history! Deluded!!!!
If you could get that much for stadium naming rights I'm sure many soccer teams would have made such a move. Just how much do you think a higher profile club like saints got for naming rights to KR? I know Wakey valued the naming rights to Belle Vue at 50K, which you would have to consider a similar club in profile and media exposure.'"
Your figure of £200K is far closer to the mark than Fully's '£2m'
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Your figure of £200K is far closer to the mark than Fully's '£2m''"
If you say so.
£2m over a five year period works out at £400k a season. That's approx £200k for entire stadium sponsorship per season and £50k per season for each of the four stands. I think that's a fairly accurate and reasonable figure? Considering shirt sponsorship invariably range between those figures, a stadium is going to provide much more publicity.
You only see brands on shirts either a) at games; or b) on TV or c) on photos in articles, whereas the new stadium will be SAID on every TV game, "welcome to the XYZ Stadium" on both Sky and BBC coverage. It will be mentioned on the radio "lets go back to the XYZ stadium" every Sunday. It will be in every press article for an home game, international game and cup games per season NATIONALLY, not forgetting trade papers such as League Express, League Weekly and magazines like RLW. Then you have Internet publicity and for every news article generated it's on the net. Oh, and not forgetting that the stadium will be sign posted on one of the busiest motorways in Britain and seen from the M62. Oh, and not forgetting the stadium is in a prime location close to Xscape and Junction32.
The power of sponsoring the ground is significantly higher than the shirt sponsorship IMO. And considering that figure is into six figures itself, the stadium sponsors will be significantly higher per year and I would be glad neither of you are involved in sport trying to gain sponsorships because I'd be disappointed if we only obtained £200k for the stadium.
Oh and SWC, another search of the net for info on Chesterfield's stadium yielded a little better results. I found a fans forum where they said that Chesterfield's naming rights for the entire stadium was approximately £1m and they seemed to think it was based on conditions of promotion. Considering we're in the highest division and I would say that figure is not a bad marker for any RL team for it's naming rights.
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| The GAME is still being seen as secondary to bog seats and colours.
Truely bizzarre.
Mind you we absolutely mullered PNG whilst Australia D broke into a tot to beat the Kiwis.
We must have our sense of priorities right.
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| Quote ="Fully"
Oh and SWC, another search of the net for info on Chesterfield's stadium yielded a little better results. I found a fans forum where they said that Chesterfield's naming rights for the entire stadium was approximately £1m and they seemed to think it was based on conditions of promotion. Considering we're in the highest division and I would say that figure is not a bad marker for any RL team for it's naming rights.'"
Fully old chap your getting as little wound up here, I support your project, I feel 99% confident it will happen but you have to see there are massive funding problems.
TBH I'd even support (if push came to shove) Cas using NM and paying minimal/zero rent to raise the funds to move to GH. As a club within the city of Wakefield district you have as much right to NM as we do & it if was needed I think that could be a lucrative way of raising the missing funding (if NM gets the nod).
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