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| Quote ="Pepe"Surely it would have been fairer to promote a Ch1 club which had done well and finished high in the league and got to the semi finals, rather than a club struggling near the bottom of the Championship?
That would have rewarded the on-field performance of the club?
Do you reckon that the RFL just offered that place to Leigh because they were likely to be able to prosper in the Championship better than any club in Ch1?
I think that’s the most likely answer. So, Leigh benefited for what they had in place off the field rather than on it.
It may have been 2 years ago, but I didn’t hear a single Leyther whinging about player performance elevating them to a higher league then, in a way they are doing now.
It’s called hypocrisy!
Or perhaps, selective memory?
Why would we want to do that?
Everything is looking great at Widnes at the moment. We just need to show up the hypocrites for what they truly are.'"
I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
So are Leigh
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"And they saved you from relegation later on because of Gateshead. You were never in championship 1, because you operated the following season in the championship with the same cap and rules as the rest. You were to be relegated, but you were saved from it. You never felt the sting of relegation ergo you were not relegated.
As I say, it's all semantics from you.'"
Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
It's not if you're arguing that Widnes should not be promoted for off the field processes.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you.
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Yes, I do feel sorry for the other C1 finallist not given the chance to ply their trade in the championship thanks to political favouritism which Leigh benefitted from.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you.
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Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem
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| Quote ="Starbug"Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem'"
Yeah right.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
No it isn’t.
If anything, what happened with Leigh is even worse. But the problems and ramifications are exactly the same.
A club missed out on promotion because another club was regarded, by the RFL, as being better off the field. This is now something which some Leythers, with a very selective memory, seem to be getting hot under the collar about now, but not 2 years ago.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"It's not if you're arguing that Widnes should not be promoted for off the field processes.'"
We weren't promoted , you havent been promoted
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| Quote ="Pepe"I think it was just THE at the start and THREAD at the end of the title that was added by mods. The middle part is the original.'"
The original title was 'From a Halifax Fan to the RFL'. It is still there in the original post at the top of the thread.
Just in the interests of accuracy and pedantry
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| Quote ="Starbug"Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem'"
Bollox!
I bet AT was on the phone to the fat b*stard as soon as he heard Gateshead we're in deep financial trouble.
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| Quote ="prehensile"The original title was 'From a Halifax Fan to the RFL'. It is still there in the original post at the top of the thread.
Just in the interests of accuracy and pedantry
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Fair enough. Either way, the title is what is causing the problems and misunderstanding.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Bollox!
I bet AT was on the phone to the fat b*stard as soon as he heard Gateshead we're in deep financial trouble.
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Nope , we had no contact with the RFL , they contacted us , and asked if we would be prepared to take Gatesheads place in the Championship
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| Quote ="Starbug"We weren't promoted , you havent been promoted'"
Of course we have been. We've been promoted to a higher league, again, don't start arguing semantics, it's pathetic pedantry and nothing more.
And I agree, you weren't promoted. You were saved from relegation thanks to off the field workings and were it not for another club going bust you wouldn't be so cocksure right now. I suspect a lot of it stems from the fact that you are league leaders and would be favourites for promotion under the old system, which also explains the OP too.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Fair enough. Either way, the title is what is causing the problems and misunderstanding.'"
Not to me , the argument has long ago moved from the O/P , like most with this number of pages
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| Quote ="Starbug"Nope , we had no contact with the RFL , they contacted us , and asked if we would be prepared to take Gatesheads place in the Championship'"
Was you on every other thread, at the time, complaining about it and winding up the fans of any club that missed out?
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Of course =#FF0000we have been. We've been promoted to a higher league, again, don't start arguing semantics, it's pathetic pedantry and nothing more.
And I agree, you weren't promoted. You were saved from relegation thanks to off the field workings and were it not for another club going bust you wouldn't be so cocksure right now. I suspect a lot of it stems from the fact that you are league leaders and would be favourites for promotion under the old system, which also explains the OP too.'"
No , you have been given a licence
Our current position has nothing to do with our opinion
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| Quote ="Starbug"No , you have been given a licence '"
So, what does that mean?
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| Quote ="Pepe"Was you on every other thread, at the time, complaining about it and winding up the fans of any club that missed out?'"
Actually no I wasn't , are you suggesting I was on the Oldham board ' winding them up ' ?
We were relegated
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| Quote ="Pepe"So, what does that mean?'"
You have been invited to play in SL for the next 3 seasons , please keep up
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| Quote ="Pepe"No it isn’t.
If anything, what happened with Leigh is even worse. But the problems and ramifications are exactly the same.
A club missed out on promotion because another club was regarded, by the RFL, as being better off the field. This is now something which some Leythers, with a very selective memory, seem to be getting hot under the collar about now, but not 2 years ago.
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Oldham missed out on promotion because they lost the grand final. The decision to reinstate Leigh didn't leave the rest of Ch1 in limbo for the next 3 years.
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| Quote ="Starbug"No , you have been given a licence '"
Which will enable us to be promoted to super league! DUH! Going from a lower division to a higher division IS A PROMOTION. Can't you speak ing english? Is that where all this pedantic nonsense stems from?
[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promotionHere[/url I'll sum it up for you. It's the advancement in rank or position.
Quote Our current position has nothing to do with our opinion'"
Of course it doesn't.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Actually no I wasn't , are you suggesting I was on the Oldham board ' winding them up ' ?
We were relegated'"
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I'm not suggesting that you went on the Oldham board winding them up. I'm suggesting that you have been on the Halifax board winding them up about the licence process, but you didn't give a 2 years ago when Leigh benefited from what you have off the field.
If you were relegated, then you jumped the queue ahead of a good fellow ch1 club, which reached a Grand Final, and I didn’t see you bitching and whining about that all over these boards.
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| Quote ="Starbug"You have been invited to play in SL for the next 3 seasons , please keep up
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It means that we have been moved from a lower league to a higher league. Lower to higher = promotion.
Has tb been rubbing off on you?
I think that he has.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"Oldham missed out on promotion because they lost the grand final. The decision to reinstate Leigh didn't leave the rest of Ch1 in limbo for the next 3 years.'"
Either way, going by the philosophy espoused by you and some other Leythers, Oldham should have been promoted due to on the field performance, ie; reaching a Grand Final, and Leigh should have been demoted due to poor on the field performance, ie; finishing in a relegation spot.
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