I think Radford has proved he can get the best out of what he has available, I think he's proved it more times than Watson.

Radford's had a lot more at his disposal than Watson's ever had.

But that is the problem we didn’t get to Wembley and we threw away the Top 5 with that phenomenal run of losses that would have seen any other coach given the boot.

It’s all well and good saying what if but we haven’t. This season is already 5 games in pretty much replicating the last few seasons. In fact you could have easily put the last few games in with last season or two and they wouldn’t look out of place. Nothing is changing and we can’t just keep banging on about what if and give him time. He’s had more than enough time to change things and it just isn’t getting any better.
How many more years are we going to go on about the back to back cups? They were over 3 years ago now.

Watson has over achieved and got far more out of what he had available than Radford has done with far better resources and squad then Watson had at Salford.

Just about everyone had Salford down as one of the relegation favourites yet turned out the be Grand Finalists. Even after losing Lui to Leeds who was a key instrumental figure.

If anything with everything Radford had at his disposal I’d say he has underachieved in the whole.

I think our first five games are pretty much replicating 2016 as well. In fact I think we're slightly better, because I remember us getting a tonking at Widnes in the first five that year. So is it a shambles that we're replicating the 2016 season, so far?

He had the man of Steel available to him. Not to mention our current first choice second row, Jones. Some useful weapons there.

Still no where near the same resources, facilities or squads that Lees had at his disposal.

This just proves that nothing is improving and the reason for me the time has come to make the change. It’s still the same issues just a different season and different group of players.

Lee's engine room in Mini and Manu were done last season, they'd gone. He's replaced them very well for this season.

Nah, it just proves we need to show him a little bit more patience, and let's see where we are when the trophies are handed out,

We looked very destructive on the 1 occasion we had more or less our best team out this season. Since then, we've just had players dropping out the team from game to game.

Don't think I don't understand people's frustrations, I do, because it's frustrating, we all wanna succeed. I just think people are pointing the blame at the wrong things.

Other than Jones granted I’d hardly say Salford had any better in that dept even with Manu and Mini at the end of their careers and in squads as a whole Radford has had the better. Plus the constant speculation and uncertainty of players leaving that Watson had to deal with

I do believe had Watson had the squad Lee had he would have got more out of them and had Lee had the squad that Salford had he’d have got less out of them.

To be fair I think he’s been shown enough patience and far more than any other coach would have. After the way last season just got thrown away at the end he had to have the team ready from the off. For me the Leeds game apart he just hasn’t. They just look so flat and lack any intensity both in attack and defence. We still can not play an 80min game and are just too predictable.

Sadly it’s just the same old story

Then it's always gonna be the same old story, because unless you can achieve perfection season on season, then whoever the coach is, is gonna be a failure.

Let's take the last 4 seasons, two successful seasons, a write off season and a season of falling just slightly short. So by my calculator, he's still in credit.

Get behind your coach.

https://twitter.com/HFCStavros/status/1 ... 33/photo/1 Sums it all up...

https://twitter.com/HFCStavros/status/1 ... 33/photo/1 Sums it all up...

Giddy up old fella
I think you are indeed a tad Giddy if I may say

Other than Lee’s family I’m finding it hard for anyone to have a reason to keep
Going with LR

This defeat totally lays at the door of the players. Not Radford.
18 points up , and then to switch off is disgraceful.

Not convinced by Watson, apart from last season (which I think was down more down to Hastings) they have struggled, look poor this year also despite bring in some good players, simalar budget to Hudds and wakey and both have beat them at home.

I'd be looking to the NRL, but I don't know who that would be, have to use our contacts in the NRL and our ex NRL players here to find the right man.

Lose on Friday, I'd be gettign rid, certainly a must win game for Radford.

Ignore the results for a minute. And the successes and the failures.

Do we look like a well coached team in your opinion?

In my opinion we look hugely disorganised pretty much all of the time. Even when we play well and play some good rugby, there is no structure to it, it all relies on individual efforts and off the cuff play. We never pick a side apart with good attacking shape or set plays. We are always relying on a bit of brilliance from someone. In the Agar days our only plan was give it to Manu. These days we have a better squad and there are a few more strike players that we can look to, but the principle is the same. Give it to Kelly or Connor or Griffin and see if they can magic up a big play from somewhere.

The defence is even worse, we seem to panic and make rash decisions every time the ball goes wide. We don't control the PTB very well, we get our numbers wrong too often, and most importantly there is rarely enough intensity. Defence is about attitude, you can cover up a lot of sins if everyone is really prepared to put their body on the line and never give up on a play. But we just don't have that attitude. At least not often enough.

On top of all that we are mentally weak. When we are in control the cue goes on the rack, when we are getting well beat we give up. When we have injuries we feel sorry for ourselves.

The results aren't the be all and end all. We are way below the standard that we should be with this group of players.

Because were 5 games into a new season and things can turn around quickly in sport as we've experienced with our very own team.
Looking forward to a Wakefiekd trip kn Friday.
Staying over, hotel booked, supporting the coach and team.

So what are the wrong things??
Are we talking about the lack of invention in attack, the continuous five drives and a kick. The lack of dummy runners that sees the driving forward getting smashed by three players over and over, the lack of offloads or lack of any idea on the opposition line.
Or are we talking about the lack of discipline on defence, the lack of aggression and the pathetic line speed and lack of fitness that sees our team unable to compete for 80 minutes. No your right this has nothing to do with Redford, he pulls a rabbit out the hat every few games and all is well ffs

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Mentioned earlier that our tries were individual efforts and Catalans were in the main well constructed.
The passing from the play the ball is consistently off the mark as well, resulting in losing vital split seconds.
We just seem to play ultra rigid until the wheels fall off, and then we revert to NFL style lateral plays in a mass panic to chase the game.

didn't Radford sometime in the past say he would walk if he couldn't get the team doing any better or words to that effect?

That was his get out of jail phrase which bought him some time
Clearly looks like he will never walk
Record losses would have seen any coach walk last season

The same old drivel, excuses and rhetoric coming out in the media too now from Scott Taylor [url=https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc-scott-taylor-faith-3903820here[/url. Fed up of hearing how they are going really well in training every week, which must be bullshizzle or they'd be able to transfer it into match day by now. The fact he is stating like Radford they don't know why they perform so badly is a major concern.
Instead of telling us you are confident you'd be better stopping with the words and showing by your actions as so far you are no better than the last two seasons of crapness.

You could literally take this story and compare it to the self same crap that has been churned out in 2018 & 2019 and before. Same problems, attitude and coach just a different season and players but same end result.

When is the penny going to drop??