Widnes were on the wrong end of a terrible decision at Wigan on Friday where a player was a mile offside chasing a kick and they scored from it.

Sometimes things don't go your way, sometimes they do, you just have to accept that and get on with it.

You just fail to realise that their's a difference between a player being tackled and a player being held.

The 'go back and PTB' was introduced for guys who tried offloading just as held was called. This happens in incidents when the ball carrier will still be on his feet but his momentum has been stopped. It wasn't introduced for players who are clearly tackled on the floor with a defender on his back to pop up and run off. (If he threw the ball when on the ground to a teammate he'd be pinged for passing off the floor so why shouldn't he be pinged for running off after tackled?)

fc got screwed by aliberts' video ref decision in perpignan a few weeks ago so no sympathy from me! as someone said, swings n roundabouts, take it on the chin and move on

everyone gets bad calls from the ref, it happens.

However for Bernard to get so angry over this shows that it has been happening for years now and there is a sense of paranoia surrounding the club.

We sat in the stands at the magic weekend thinking of the best possible way for the ref to get Huddersfield back in the match, we have become that cynical.

So it could be all our fault, all the officials or somewhere in the middle.

With all of Dragons home matches being on Sky, the neutral will naturally see plenty of decisions go our way.

This isn't the first time either. I remember Guasch levelling similar allegations of bias and corruption against the RFL a couple of years ago, backed up by the coach at the time Trent Robinson having a whinge about it. Brian McDermott then pointed out how many penalties the Dragons get at home due to the crowd, and got fined as a result.

The RFL are so petrified that Guasch will cut and run, leaving them without a SL club outside the M62 corridor, that he seems to have licence to say whatever he wants about whoever he wants without censure. He's accused match officials and those who run the game of being corrupt. He should be facing a heavy fine and a ban from the game. Won't happen though, he's got the RFL over a barrel and he knows it.

Sometimes though, the mistakes are so obvious that you end up questioning how a supposed professional could make them. I agree that a borderline forward can easily be missed but some are so bad it's either complete incompetence or turning a blind eye in certain circumstances. The one that always baffles me is the Chris Green winner at Magic, how on earth did the match official miss it in the first place, then two linesmen missed it only for the video ref to blatantly ignore the fact he was 3m offside at the kick, even though he watched it several times over two minutes. Can this really be put down to an 'error'

Would Guasch not be better off getting a good coach , That would certainly help ?

Spot on.

“I would like someone to explain to me how the second try for Huddersfield was awarded by professional referees given how far forward the ball travelled.”

Let me explain Mr chairman. The ball travelled forward because of a fundamental piece of physics called momentum. For a demonstration of momentum try driving your car quickly at a wall without wearing your seatbelt. The movement of your body through the windscreen is an example of momentum at work. If that's a bit too drastic an experiment to try out then read the works on classical mechanics of the great English physicist and mathematician Sir Isaac Newton. Or indeed any basic physics GCSE or A level text book.
In fact the reason the ball travelled forward is the same reason it travelled forward for most of the times the ball was passed by both sides during that game.
Hope that helps.

So, a forward pass doesn't exist, it is just given on a referees whim.

No that pass was forward.

Your not kidding, Dan Marino would have been proud.

The question wasn't about whether the ball was passed forward- it was a question about why the ball travelled forwards. Which suggests he doesn't....... like sooooo many others...... Understand what a forward pass is.
The TJ was in a perfect position to see whether Grix passed the ball backwards- How far forward the ball finished up is irrelevant. .

https://youtu.be/lefG94K6PSM

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1. There was a survey done a few years back and London (I think they were quins RL at the time) were the most penalised team in the comp both at home and away. Whether it's intentional or subliminal, Super League referees don't travel well and non-heartland teams do not get the rub of the green from them.
2. Anyone who accuses a referee of being crooked either better have proof or deep pockets. The RFL should throw the book at this bloke....

In this case the ball travelled forward because it was passed forward.

If the Catalans players concentrated more on trying to play rugby league instead of looking for different ways or cheating and causing injuries to their opponents then the referees might just be able to concentrate more on what is actually happening instead of having to have eyes in the back of his head.

You claim it was passed forward Based on what?
Those paid to make that decision said it wasnt- and they were able to make a call based on their ideal position at the time. From the footage I've seen i couldn't say it was- but as I haven't seen a camera shot from the other side then neither can I dispute what the TJ "saw" .

Based on the fact the ball was propelled forwards by the Huddersfield player in the act of passing the ball.

I can understand his frustration at the forward pass decision because it was blatant but Catalan do get more than their fair share of decisions at home usually - I can't think of many teams who've won the penalty count there to be fair.

That being said, the chairman has to get some kind of punishment for the way over the top outburst and his questioning of officials integrity.

It was passed forwRd left the hands forward, travelled forward, it was without doubt a classic example of a forward pass.

Whether it travelled forward is irrelevant. I've yet to see any footage that shows the ball leaving the hands forward- and none from the vantage point of the official on the side who was in a perfect position to see. If you have then please post a link.

Yep. Definite forward pass.


Whether it travelled forward in relation to the player is relevant. And it did. That's why, in this case, you don't need a shot from the side clearly showing his hands, because you can see how the ball travels in relation to the player.

The fact that you think that pass was fine shows you don't understand the same rule that you are criticising other people for not understanding, and to keep saying that the officials didn't give it as forward so it must be fine is just daft.

No it's not relevant because the ball WILL travel forward in relation to the player. Its mechanics. The rule you claim I don't understand is nothing to do with where the ball ends up- it's to do with the passing motion from the players hands-in terms of relation to the player mcgilvary is behind Grix when the ball leaves his hands and is still behind him when he receives it despite Grix being impeded by a Catalan defender. I've yet to see any evidence that grixs passing motion was forwards. -that's the criteria for a forward pass. The official was stood in the best place to judge that.

if the dragons got every decision given to them every time their crowd appealed they'd have 150 penalties a game, i know they're a passionate lot, but jeez, they whinged, screamed, whistled and booed every time a giants player touched a dragons player, the crowd down in perpignan certainly gets on the referee's back, and early!

maybe M. Guasch is upset because he didn't cave into pressure from the crowd?

saying that, i said at the game i thought it was forward and i haven't seen a replay that proves otherwise, but they certainly got decisions that went their way on saturday, they also made a lot of errors that contributed to their defeat!