Danny Nutley was the cas prop.

With Webb, Elima, and Pryce do Catalans have the whiniest, most niggly trio in SL?

Didn't he get MoM in that game?

Correct Towns. Andy Schik was the winning try in the cup wasn't it.

Watching on sky, where you do not know what is going on off the ball, there were four significant flashpoints. All ultimately the responsibility of players but none of which seemed to be dealt with well/correctly by the ref. This does lead to frustration from both sets of players and an escalating problem. With better match/player control at the first couple of incidents the later ones probably dont happen.

The incidents I thought were significant were:

1. Early tackle by Westwood, he gets an elbow in the face and gets up , fist cocked. Difficult call for the ref but with hindsight perhaps a stronger word to calm things down helps.

2. Leon Pryce is tackled near Wire line, wins penalty, gets up and "walks into Riley(?) who is still on the ground. Waterhouse "runs in" (only 2/3 steps and throws a poor punch, which makes contact but does little damage. TJ advises ref that Leon Pryce contact with prone player was accidental. Really not sure about the Pryce contact being accidental, but having concluded that the Ref cannot ignore the Waterhouse punch - think the officials got two calls wrong here and after that a bigger incident was highly likely.

3. Elima swinging arm tackle on Evans. Not seen a clear replay to be certain it was foul play or an attempt to dislodge the ball, I assume the ref got the first call right. Westwood dives in landing 2 or 3 good punches. Again the ref ignores these afters.

4. The sin binning incident, commented on widely by others. There is little doubt that Westwood was guilty of advancing beyond the PTB looking for trouble and landing the first blow. Whatever Brent Webb may have done in the previous tackle, that went unseen/unpenalised by the officials. I cannot comprehend how Silverwood ended up awarding Wire the penalty, binning Webb, who after the ptb was very much the victim (Silverwood let everything prior to ptb go) and did not send off Westwood, who had walked several metres beyond the ptb in pursuit of Webb, threw the first punch and a vicious uppercut.

Overall I thought Webb, Westwood, Elima and Waterhouse all did pretty stupid things, Silverwood was incompetant.

Small man syndrome at it's finest!

Also, Webb sinbined 5 times in 2007!


Silverwood had a mare last night and was lucky not to completely lose control of the game.

I note you ignored the moment when Webb got up after a kick return had a pop at higham then walked past the play the call moaning at the ref and kept moaning for the full set of six, then the next set he played for and got a soft penalty.


Westwood took some proper in the tackle last night from all the dragons players, it was amazing to see the amount of hands and knees ending up on tackled players faces last night when they were on their backs on the floor.


Also you've chosen to ignore whatever the Fuck duport did prior to the fight where he tried to drag Ben to the floor whilst unscrewing his head. That's when the ref should've called a penalty and calmed Catalan down.

I assume you watched it on telly. In which case you missed lots of stuff the Tv cameras didn't catch. There was a lot of, off the ball digs going on and Benny got a lot of rough treatment throughout the game. In fact he seems to be the man to rough up, Wigan and Cas did the same. Maybe he needs to be protected ala Tomkins.

I don't think I have ever seen the suggestion of a Forward needing protection?
That is bizarre.

Yes watched on telly, and acknowledged in first line of my post that means you miss what sky don't show. Main point I was making is that several players did stupid things (provoked or otherwise) but it was all worse because the ref did not impose any authority.

My intent was not to have a go at Ben Westwood, would love him in my team. I was highlighting how things escalated because the game was poorly reffed. Ben and others will probably be before Red Hall, the last incident was put on report. It should never have come to that.

Ponder on this Ben Westwood was sin binned with 9 minutes to go - poor reffing led to that, but the sanction was also poor. He went looking for confrontation and threw the first punch. Difficult for the panel to ignore even with provocation. Had he been sent off they could have deemed sending off sufficient, but he was not, there was certainly deliberate striking which is a sending off offence. He probably misses next week which he probably wouldn't had he been sent off. i think that is poor reffing that affects Ben Westwood and Wire?

Silverwood is a strange ref, can sometimes be very good others dreadful. Probably the most variable ref in SL. Ganson, Thaler, Bentham and even Childs would have taken action earlier (not necessarily binning players, but letting them know they are in charge - whether decisions are correct).

Last nights game just drilled something home for me.

For all we can blame money problems, the RFL, club management, recession etc etc for ruining our game, the refs can ruin a game quicker than the speed of light.

If they had billed last night as top of the table clash and new viewers were watching they would have seen bad calls, mass confusion (not helped by the commentators), stupid niggling fighting, poor decision making and a video ref that is like a whispered legend (they say its around but ya never really see much evidence for it).

Complete fiasco.

High praise indeed for the man in the clown's outfit.

I'm amazed that nobody has picked up on Bosc intentionally headbutting Westwood in the tackle, especially after all the talk of the Mika tackle last week.

At 21:50 seconds into the game is probably the most blatant.

It's shocking that for an accidental headclash you get penalised. But if you go around maliciously nutting blokes in the head you're okay.

As a neutral i've got to agree with everyone else, they went for Westwood all night. As a neutral, I thought it was a cracker of a game because of it. Old school stuff. Loved it.

Brent Webb is a liability and know wonder Leeds got rid of him well before the play offs. Always whinging at the ref and doing things a schoolboy would think was childish. If he got on with the game instead of trying to be Mr Brain Explosion he would be half decent. Still rate Catalan as top four.

And I agree, Westwood looked to bite Webb. I'm more certain that he bit Webb than I was Graham biting Slater, because it was plausible that Graham might have been screaming in his ear.

I'm not sure why Westwood would be shouting directly into Brent Webbs arm.

I blame the players and coaches as they create the tactics, if the players want to niggle they need to accept the consequences. However, when the frustrations boil the ref needs to manage it better than last night. The double sin bin came from the back of two Warrington penalties.

The first penalty was Elima strong tackle on Evans which Westwood got involved in. Was it a penalty? Elima can make a strong tackle if Evans not tackled and wants to stay on the ground. Why is Westwood getting involved? This was the catalyst for the double sin bin and wasn't dealt with.

london away i believe. although i seem to think james lowes was binned 3 times in a game once

He got involved as Olivier chose to swing his arm and fist into Evans face when he was defenceless on the floor.


Them on the next penalty oliver decided to hold down the wire player and push his head into his face, as well as another dragon putting their hand in the call carriers face.

If Westwood had bitten Webb then don't you think that we would have heard something about it by now? Strange that no-one else saw it apart from you.

First thing I said (and posted a few pages back) when I saw the side angle replay was it looked like Westwood bit him. He stuck his face into Webb's arm, there was a moment of contact and Webb whipped his arm away even though the tackle wasn't complete.

Others have said the same thing to me. No, there's no proof and Webb should have made a complaint if it happened, but that's what it looked like.

I for one minute don't like Westwood. I think he's a dirty <Insert expletive here>. However when he and Webb were going at it, I just wanted him to pulverize that little t**t Webb. Horrible player and for me, our game would be better off without the whinging t**t

It was.

Webb is a fantastic player who will go very well with Catalan this year. At some of Leeds most inconsistent periods the last two years he was our most creative player.

However, his attitude and discipline was becoming a worry, culminating in his final game for Leeds away to Wakefield where he was subbed and didn't play again the rest of the year.

It was actually Hudds at home in 2007 when he was sin binned twice. First for fighting with Paul Reilly and the second for dissent (yes shocking I know).

Against Harlequins in 2007 he was put on report twice and sin binned the once.

I seem to recall him trying to decapitate McLinden....it was a straight Red anyday of the week.........except he was playing for Leeds against London