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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"It was a good comparison in the context wilkin was using it - If you think of union as chess, then league is checkers. The simpler more open game. I don't understand what's so ridiculous.'"
Except it carries with it the stereotype of chess being a game for intelligent, thoughtful people and checkers the game for everyone else who can't get the hang of chess.
League is every bit as complex and challenging to play well as Union, but with fewer arcane laws to confuse the watching viewer.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Anyhow - while RU gazes at its own navel for the next 12 months, Sam is back in the game; and the next big name who Farrell targets will likely think twice, having seen Burgess' treatment at the hands of the RU establishment.'"
Im not sure Farrell will get the chance to talk anyone into International RU anytime soon.
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| The comparison that struck me the other day is between real tennis and lawn tennis. Real tennis is the original game, with it's complex medieval rules, played by toffs. Lawn tennis is the simpler, faster, more democratic version played by everybody.
Unfortunately, in terms of public profile, it's more the other way round for us!
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| I already like Jon Wilkin for his punditry, but he's really gone up in my estimation with that piece he did on 5 Live. Intelligent, articulate, balanced, well argued, spot on.
Wish Nigel Wood would take some lessons from him in how to talk to the media.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Except it carries with it the stereotype of chess being a game for intelligent, thoughtful people and checkers the game for everyone else who can't get the hang of chess.'"
Except it didn't; I guess you had to be there.
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| [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309171/England-s-Rugby-World-Cup-flops-blew-100-000-investing-shares-tipped-squad-s-kit-man.htmlPssst ... wanna punt 100k?[/url
Yours,
The Kit Man.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Except it carries with it the stereotype of chess being a game for intelligent, thoughtful people and checkers the game for everyone else who can't get the hang of chess.
League is every bit as complex and challenging to play well as Union, but with fewer arcane laws to confuse the watching viewer.'"
Union [iis[/i more complex. It was a great comparison. There is alot more technical aspects involved with the breakdowns (lineouts, scrums, rucks) posession is contested at every single breakdown.
I don't know why people get a chip on their shoulder with Union being more complex. Team sports aren't supposed to be complicated. The best ones are the simplest, look at the popularity of football.
If you want a mental challenge go actually play chess, or learn mandarin chinese.
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| I don't have a problem admitting Union is a more complex game. Given the greater positional specialisation it's bound to be.
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| Although the chequers analogy is a bad one given that a computational solution for it has been found. By comparison Rugby League is off-the-chart in terms of complexity.
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| Quote ="Dally"I read that too! Maybe Lancaster and Farrell are safe if it was all the kit-man's fault. As to losing money - who would take investment advice from the kit-man? If it was a sure-fire winner then it would almost certainly be as a result of insider trading.'"
Where there's big money the stench of corruption is never far from the nostrils. To be honest I have one or two suspicions about at least one game in that competition.
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| "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby union is a complex game played by w@nkers - Laurie Daley
Indisputable I'd say!
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| Quote ="Dally"I read that too! Maybe Lancaster and Farrell are safe if it was all the kit-man's fault. As to losing money - who would take investment advice from the kit-man? If it was a sure-fire winner then it would almost certainly be as a result of insider trading.'"
Oil industry is one of the most volatile you can invest in. These players If they have 100k free to invest they need to do research.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Oil industry is one of the most volatile you can invest in. These players If they have 100k free to invest they need to do research.'"
They sound like they've been royally hustled. The oil industry is certainly volatile - but we've known the Saudis have been deliberately tanking oil prices for geopolitical reasons for some time. Volatility infers frequent fluctuations but oil has been going down, down and DOWN for ages.
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| Quote ="Perry"I already like Jon Wilkin for his punditry, but he's really gone up in my estimation with that piece he did on 5 Live. Intelligent, articulate, balanced, well argued, spot on.
Wish Nigel Wood would take some lessons from him in how to talk to the media.'"
John Wilkin reads poetry. John Wilkin is the most intelligent, cultured and articulate man playing in Super League. St. Helens and England should be proud of him.
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer""Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby union is a complex game played by w@nkers - Laurie Daley
Indisputable I'd say!'"
Soccer is a gentleman's game, played by hooligans.
Rugby Union is a hooligan's game, played by gentlemen.
Rugby League is a hooligan's game played by hooligans.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"John Wilkin reads poetry. John Wilkin is the most intelligent, cultured and articulate man playing in Super League. St. Helens and England should be proud of him.'"
I never thought Ann Coulter could ever seem appealing ...
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| The draughts/chess analogy was made years ago by jim telfer (SRU) aimed in a derogatory way towards league.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"John Wilkin reads poetry. John Wilkin is the most intelligent, cultured and articulate man playing in Super League. St. Helens and England should be proud of him.'"
And do not forget were he came from HULL
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"And do not forget were he came from HULL'"
Its only the last couple of years he pronounces Hull with a H. I usually find his comments on the games well balanced and respected, think he likes winding up Robbie Paul though.
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| Not only that but he said he wanted to play centre in RU not flanker. That statement helps Lancaster and Farrell.
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| Quote ="kobashi"wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9051131
Sam saying he missed playing rugby league.'"
Well going from 25 carries and 35 tackles per game, having to run back ten metres on every tackle and be constantly involved; to standing around with his hands on his hips/knees taking in about 4 carries and 6 tackles per game...only total lazy s wouldn't miss playing league.
For someone like Sam, rugby union must be a total dirge to be involved in and all these many players in that sport who've only known that they just don't realise what they're missing out on in RL.
And to be fighting against bitter people who want to see him fail is just ridiculous. Life's far too short to be around people who are against you and a rugby playing career is far far too short for that. So he's coming back to where he's loved in our sport and i don't blame him.
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| Suggest reading original article on DM online. Hard for me to link from small phone.
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