I think you can blame the rfl it was the stupid pound signs in their eyes that also brought this problem

Yeah. To be honest without having a home game this will definitely affect revenue. But they’ve been allowed to throw millions at players, took on Tony Gigot and kallum Watkins to try and turn fortune around and it hasn’t worked out.

It’s hard to work out and with no championship competition it’s not straight forward to just cherry pick a team to compete in SL in 2021. But there needs to be consequences and actions taken by the RFL towards the Wolfpack. Time will tell

I agree but, I'm not sure that anything will happen, unless of course they go bust before the start of next season, which would necessitate that a change was made.
Assuming that The Championship doesn't get up and running again, there should only be 2 clubs in the reckoning for a SL place
Either, reinstate London as the relegated club or, install Fev, who were beaten finalists in The Championship play offs.

Mind you, everyone else needs to make it to the end of the season before anything can be looked at.

I'm not sure that, after saying that they would fulfil their fixtures, Toronto should be an automatic to retain their SL place.

Have there been any shenanigans here or has everything been open and honest - it's bloody difficult to tell from the outside looking in.
However, to go from, yes we will complete our fixtures in the UK to jacking in for the season, in the space of 10 days has a bloody awful smell about it.

Get out of lala land mate, they’ve had their chance, walked away from their responsibility with no thought for anyone else, so as a non RFL member it should be a ‘size 12 up the derrière’ enough is enough !!!!!

Reading t'other forum is painful. Still can't accept the gig is up. Reads like a wierd fan club for a failed experiment but some have nailed their colours to the Toronto smoke and mirrors mast so deeply they can't comprehend they are cooked.

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Speaking as a Leigh fan, I wouldn't want my team to just be promoted without a competition being won "fair and square"

The is rugby league, we have to have some integrity left after all this.

Correct mate.

Widnes in SL 2021 would be a disaster and I say that as a Widnes fan.We are still recovering from the shenanigans of the previous regime which left the club in tatters and near liquidation.Nowhere near ready.It's not gonna happen and rightly so.Fans would'nt turn up anyway to watch 60 point home thrashings once a fortnight.No thanks.Perhaps 2024.

This was the original post to Future of the Game. How do the comments on that thread add to what is clearly chaos in the game ATM.

It seems about as chaotic No 10, currently. How can we steer around the chaos these fools have caused?

Folks, in these troubled times, we all need to take care of ourselves, our loved ones and our communities, but we all need to work out how our game can get through this for the good of millions in the RL family.

How can Rugby League ensure that we have an Elite Level at SL, a middle tier at Championship/Champ 1 level and also at community level in every small town and village up and down the country.

I have a suggestion for your comments and analysis. It is far from perfect, but put out their for consideration of fans and the leaders of OUR game. It takes into consideration that the game employs thousands of players, coaches, back room staff, coaches, admin staff etc. We MUST save our clubs and games.

Suggestion and those players/staff could then be free find other employment in the community whilst keeping the game going, as above. Many will need to find other employment in any case IF clubs cannot survive. Better than to have part time clubs than no clubs at all maybe?

It is clear that our RL communities are likely to suffer more than others elsewhere, a majority of our men work for themselves and many of our women in the public services. Whatever we can do to support them, whilst saving the game at every level, the better.

This post is meant for discussion to look at the bigger picture of the current times AND the bigger of how we save our game for the future. Yes there will be problems and arguments. There always has been sine 1890!!! Now is the time we influence our own game and lives, by working together to save the game.

We will NOT have a Sugar Daddy coming in saving any of our clubs or the game itself. Sky will not save us unless it is financially viable. The BIGGER games sell more. WE need to influence Leaders.

Submitted for sensible responses.

How could Fev stand in? Leeds would have a team and a half in SL with the rest of the Fev squad on building sites during the week. Nonsense.

Has Mcdermott commented on the end of TWP?
He should give the facts when asked as seems a straight shooter?

Why not pick a Championship select team to fulfil TWP fixtures?

Why do you suggest it is the end of Toronto Wolfpack? The owner has stated he will fund the side for next year.

There has been a pandemic which has caused problems.

As the pandemic took hold the governing body stated it would assist any club that suffers directly from the problems caused.

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One club,where a fella called Hudgell gets a lot of publicity,stated he would refuse to pay if relegation was applied for this season.The same fella was grateful for a government loan being awarded.

That loan was not available to Toronto Wolfpack.

Maybe they should ask the Canadian government for a loan then?

Well said and if the owner is has rich has he is why would he need one and has for visas is it not is job to make sure they have them not the rugby league

Worst "serious" post (forgetting the trolling) I've seen on here.

Their "leeway" is a Billionaire owner. A Billion is AT LEAST one thousand $$Million. He's most likely worth far more than that as his mines churn out the valuable minerals daily. Superleague is a cheap sport to fund, even if you have to pay for both sides transatlantic flights. Argyle could have funded anything, at any amount, for the rest of his days without batting an eyelid.

Plain truth is he's not interested anymore, as TRL posters say he's looking to personally reduce his shareholding and exposure in the club right down(i.e. dump it on someone else). As the Sydney Morning Herald said on the link I gave you he's wanting to buy into Melbourne storm who are now looking for additional investors.

The idea he needs "Leeway" is absurd. Now please stop calling me in every post you make, as you only make yourself look silly.

He's absolutely mega rich, all the rubbish about "costs" is unbelievable. Even more unbelievable is the club somehow forgot about Visa restrictions, Visas being perhaps the most important aspect of player management. They travel internationally all the time yet they supposedly "forgot" about Visas.



This reflects poorly on Nigel Wood, Ralph Rimmer and even Ian Lenegan all scared to death about what might happen if they were to boot them out. Take the debate back to the reality. Perez promised TWP would produce players quickly through grid iron conversions and would get a big NATV deal.

It never happened. Not one player and not one cent in four years and an admission (from McDermott) neither would be likely in the near future if ever. Yet nobody in the game ever called this out.

TWP was just a plaything for Argyle as he could not get into the NRL, he can now, and so he's tossed his toy away. lets just forget them and pick up the pieces and crack on with reality.

Genuine question -

Do 'we' (as a collective of fans) feel any obligation (if only a moral one) to the several thousand people who turned out to watch TWP every other week over the last couple of years?

What sort of message does it send to them if people on this side of the pond want them to fail?

One eyed & deluded !

The "loan" was provided by the British Government for the benefit of the sport *in Britain* not to prop up a Club from Canada which pays it's taxes in Canada & has a *Billionaire* Australian owner !!!

I would suggest you look towards David 'Racist' Argyle to be the saviour of his own club instead of U.K taxpayers where ultimately that loan originates from.

It's their fans I feel for, many of which will have now become emotionally 'invested' in TWP & RL, maybe not to the extent of a 10, 20, 30, 40 year Fev, Leigh Hull or Batley fan but yes, it's the fans who suffer.

There is zero "obligation" to keep Toronto in Super League *especially as a U.K Club would suffer immediate ejection from SL to a lower league*, however I do believe there is a place for Toronto but that it should start again from Championship to save the integrity of the sport.

For all the smoke & mirrors , of which there are many, the Canada project should be given a chance, this would be helped by the ownership of TWP actually playing by the rules instead of attempting to force changes of rules in their favour with last minute embarrassment to the sport *not just this episode* , by paying their bills & by employing honesty rather than the deceipt they have shown since inception.

I have always disliked it but time for a 'New' open & transparent "Franchise" system whereby Toronto & A.N.Others can be invited on solid criteria & whereby abuse, deception & non compliance is rigorously punished. It's time that solid business plans, on field performance, stadia, attendance, community participation, academy's & ambition was rewarded & that hangers on were ejected.

Toronto have a place, that place should be temporarily involve demotion from Super League.

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So the fans of Bulls, Rovers, Newcastle, Widnes, London and Leigh don't count then?

Yet again for maybe the 100th. time the solid criteria agreed between the RFL and Perez and repeated on TV by Perez was TWP were to develop north american players pretty quickly by starting with grid iron converts and find an NATV deal to share here.

Not a single player not a single TV dollar.

The utter nonsense about them getting no share of the TV deal is just that they were never due one they were getting their own.

Why does Argyle need a share of the deal? He's worth Hundred(s) of $milions.

It's just been revealed he's spent £18,000.000 on TWP which is nothing to him.

That revelation shows us a business model that is totally unsuatainable - what is the point of one club producing no players and no TV money being in Superleague.

More to the point what is the point of New York and Ottawa following them?

And the bottom line is what Steve? Castleford and Wakefield are relegated to let them in??

Mate, the criteria were rock solid - they developed their own players and got their own TV deal

Nobody wanted them to fail but fail they did,

Again they failed to get their own TV deal - that was the agreement.

They failed to develop any players - that was the agreement.

So you don't feel sorry for London Broncos fans made to go away for these people?

Good