Nothing to be ashamed of, plenty round here do. I prefer double glazed, personally.

Yeh I just read some of his other posts and came to that conclusion, and then came to remove my post but you'd already replied

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Apologies Grendel, I thought you were another one of the Widnes Mafia.

We could both change our posts to something about fluffy bunnies or something!

What I would say to the South Welsh is don't get bitter, get better. Promote and support the South Wales club that has recently been formed and get them into a franchise application position. That way we could have the Welsh derbies, North V South. It would be bigger than Origin.

I've edited mine..

Perhaps it’s Widnesians you should be apologizing to?

Its people like you who are creating misconceptions about Widnes supporters on here, by jumping to the conclusion that everyone who expresses doubt about the Celtic Crusaders/ Crusaders inclusion to Super League must be a bitter Widnes fan.

The Widnes Mafia, Eh?

Paul, Willard,

No worries guys. Don't know what you wrote. It was edited by the time I got back.

I wouldn't have taken it personally anyway even if it had been directed my way. I'm a bit of an opinionated keyboard warrior at times and my manner invites robust responses.

If you ever think I'm being a d1ck, feel free to tell me. I may not stop being a dick as a result, but you're always welcome to tell me.

Oh dear Grendel, you still don't believe that I worked for the Crusaders do you

You'll be telling people I am Mike Turner next

Port what are you on about mate? I have never thought, nor intimated that you worked for the Celtic Crusaders or this new second rate knock off version.

Think you're mistaking me for someone else.

Sorry Pepe, I was the one who raised the Widnes angle - I didn't mean to imply you're what people portray you as.

Look, I categorised based on the fuss the Widnes fans, and the Leigh fans kicked up when they didn't get a franchise. You have a bitter section of your fan base which gives the rest of you a bad name.

Now, I'm sure you're not actually that offended. I should feel sorry for you if you are.

On behalf of Pepe I would just like to say...Apology accepted

10,334 attendance! Fantastic lets hope lots of them return for the rest of the season!

It may be a different stadium but the same person is doing the sums as last season.......10334 indeed! The Racecourse max capacity without the KOP is 10500 and there were many empty seats especially in the corner areas. Methinks they're fiddling the figures again.
If only they realised that if they played things straight there would be advantages in the long run.. but I doubt they'll learn

Get a grip.

That's just a laughably petty and bitter little post.

where were these empty seats? from what i saw there was only 30 or so spare in one corner, everywhere else apart from the closed stand seemed pretty full.

if they were fiddling why would they announce a figure of just over a hundred and sixty seats under cap, surley they would have announced a smaller gate if they were 'fiddling the figures'

you must change your diet, them lemons and grapes are starting to come through

Ah what beautiful music to hear the desperate whining of the haters.

Sky sports news gave the game massive publicity on Friday all very positive! Well done Crusaders.

"Attendences" often include people who bought tickets but who didn't actually show up. This is how Leicester Tigers managed to have a 12,815 attendence every single week.

You're being a d1ck , but then again you're entitled to be a d1ck , just as if Warrington or Bradford upped sticks and moved to Luton , then their fans would be entitled to be a little bitter

Despite Leeds eventually running away with the game I thought there were many positives to take from the game. Crusaders didn't look in that bad shape, considering how little time the players have had together.

the crowd was very good, and perhaps suggests that RL is too quick to turn down 'unfashionable' new locations. There's little to do in Wrexham, so the club could become big 'news' there. For example decades have been spent trying to get a presence in London, which has so much to entertain its citizens that RL goes unnoticed. Moving to cities that have big populations, but little sporting presence could be the way forward.

Neither Bridgend or Newport could hardly be compared with Disneyland either so it's not down to there being 'little to do in Wrexham'?

Wrexham's population is at least double that of Bridgend, which obviously helps. And North Wales has 1 5th tier football team (that is attracting dwindling gates) and that's it.

South Wales has Cardiff FC (tier 2 football) international football, is an RU stonghold, and in general Cardiff attracts the majority of Wales' big events such as concerts.

its early days, and time will tell if it works.

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Franchises can mean that kind of thing can happen!!!!!


Not unknown for clubs to upsticks and move in many sports!!!!!