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| Quote ="Starbug"Which is exactly why we have the shambles we currently have , because anybody with an iota of business sense would have seen that the Celtic Crusaders are no where near a strong enough business to be trying to compete with the other businesses in SL
And who decided to put them there ?
The people who are running the whole business , so what does that tell you about them ?
So I suggest you use those ' big ' words you know and pen a letter to the RFL explaining why they should not have put a totally unready club into SL and why they cannot force the expansion of the game as they seem to think they can'"
on that point i agree, but would you really put widnes leight and halifax in that catagory, and more importantly would you have done 2 years ago, when submissions were made??? face facts mr m jackson looked like the best business in the world 4 months ago, you buying shares now?
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| Quote ="TFC"Uh oh! The the fan is about to get hit by the proverbial...
Complete incompetance by all parties involved, wonder what the RFL have to say on this.'"
Be interesting to know what the RFL have to say.
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| Quote ="chapster"on that point i agree, but would you really put widnes leight and halifax in that catagory, and more importantly would you have done 2 years ago, when submissions were made??? face facts mr m jackson looked like the best business in the world 4 months ago, you buying shares now?'"
Not quite 2 years ago , Leigh , no I stated at the time we were not ready and most likely never will be , same with Fax , Widnes yes
The problem is the RFL have bent the rules that much to get them there they had to put them in or they would have dissapeared
And artificially producing competitive clubs does not prepare them to move up , when those ' advantages ' are then removed the club cannot survive
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| Quote ="Saint John"Be interesting to know what the RFL have to say.'"
Quote ="The sport's governing body in the UK, the Rugby Football League"it will not comment. '"
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| Quote ="Starbug"And artificially producing competitive clubs does not prepare them to move up , when those ' advantages ' are then removed the club cannot survive'"
you mean like a salary cap? or slowing the PTB down?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Not quite 2 years ago , Leigh , no I stated at the time we were not ready and most likely never will be , same with Fax , Widnes yes
The problem is the RFL have bent the rules that much to get them there they had to put them in or they would have dissapeared
And artificially producing competitive clubs does not prepare them to move up , when those ' advantages ' are then removed the club cannot survive'"
eh did you ever try putting widnes in to company rating software at the time?
the would have been catagorised as high risk because they had insolvency issues within the previous 3 years, if press reports are true.
in shot starbug, would youi have put your house in to widnes, and if not why should the rfl take the same risk??
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| Quote ="hopie4ever"'"
I saw that on the BBC site, at the bottom of the article. But, they cannot just bury their heads in the sand. They'll need to comment sooner or later.
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| Quote ="Saint John"I saw that on the BBC site, at the bottom of the article. But, they cannot just bury their heads in the sand. They'll need to comment sooner or later.'" I would imagine they will wait until all investigation is done to make any sort of comment so they know all the details of what has happened and how.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
if you look just next to that article on the top right hand corner you will see a link to a story from 16th july when the UKBA were already investigating this'"
Ahh, I didn't see that. Well hopefully that is a good sign for the club.
As you say, it's not fair to criticise Celtic for wrong doing that is not proven, but when has that ever stopped some people from "having a pop"?
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| the rfl dont have to say anything if celtic didnt breach and of the rfls rules, the UKBA will punish those guilty of breaking immigration law
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| Quote ="chapster"eh did you ever try putting widnes in to company rating software at the time?
the would have been catagorised as high risk because they had insolvency issues within the previous 3 years, if press reports are true.
in shot starbug, would youi have put your house in to widnes, and if not why should the rfl take the same risk??'"
As you said earlier Mr Jackson seemed to be a good investment not so long ago , same could be said for several of the worlds biggest companies
How many other clubs were willing or able to deposit £ 500,000 in cash as a ' bond ' ?
Mr Samuels co probably doesn't have the best financial figures at the moment and I doubt many RL clubs have good financial risk stats either
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| Quote ="Starbug"As you said earlier Mr Jackson seemed to be a good investment not so long ago , same could be said for several of the worlds biggest companies
How many other clubs were willing or able to deposit £ 500,000 in cash as a ' bond ' ?
Mr Samuels co probably doesn't have the best financial figures at the moment and I doubt many RL clubs have good financial risk stats either'"
and as i said on the celtic site for you...........
we all have to fight for our own club, as a wakefield fan i know that, but i will not do it by trying to bring down another club in the hope it gives me a gap to run through.
rl is a community, and as such as a clever bloke im sure youd be best directed appying your passions to sorting out your own club, which i believe is the struggling leigh, rather than bringing down another club ok?
i respect you opinions but dont think you needed to target celts tonight, which you have. good luck with leigh though, another fav away trip.
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| sure crusaders have been embarresed here but to dam and abandon them now would look really bad for the sport. the RFL must stick with crusaders through think and thin for the long term benefit of the game!
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| Quote ="Starbug"As you said earlier Mr Jackson seemed to be a good investment not so long ago , same could be said for several of the worlds biggest companies
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at present Mr Jackson is the highest grossing popstar on the planet, what a great marketing idea to die.
Celtic were fast tracked in, will they now be punished, I don't know but lookig at RFL decisions in the past Wigan allowed to get away with cheating on the Salary cap 3 times and only a total of 6 point deducted over two seasons, unlike Australia, Hull left in the CC after cheating.
So this is really hard to call, rugby league needs to expand, but will the media allow it to become a national sport?
We have this problem but the Yawnian boys are now acting like wrestlers with the fake blood inicident, we should to be able to make some good out of this about a game played by real man who bleed for real, but can see the RFL missing it.
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| I know this sounds a bit premature but how much tops does your typical National Conference or NL2 team take to run.
If the worst came to the worst we'd try to start up our own club to keep rugby league down here in one shape or form?
Any info on this front as it is a very depressing day so far. Need to see at least a little light at the end of the tunnel.
I think if the rfl kick us out of Super League then Samuels will walk away and there will be no club so we do really need to think about these things.
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| Quote ="Bigpev"at present Mr Jackson is the highest grossing popstar on the planet, what a great marketing idea to die.
Celtic were fast tracked in, will they now be punished, I don't know but lookig at RFL decisions in the past Wigan allowed to get away with cheating on the Salary cap 3 times and only a total of 6 point deducted over two seasons, unlike Australia, Hull left in the CC after cheating.
So this is really hard to call, rugby league needs to expand, but will the media allow it to become a national sport?
We have this problem but the Yawnian boys are now acting like wrestlers with the fake blood inicident, we should to be able to make some good out of this about a game played by real man who bleed for real, but can see the RFL missing it.'"
When Elvis died it was reported as a great career move
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| Quote ="Starbug"When Elvis died it was reported as a great career move
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in that case leigh are challenge cup winners next year, nailed on!
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty""Intelligence-led" means "someone tipped us off". So where's your bets ? Someone close to the WRU, or someone closer to the M62 ?
I suspect I'd be putting my money on the latter.'"
More likely someone formerly close to the club with inside knowledge.
Celtic have had a number of senior staff leave this year.
Its not beyond the realms of possibility that one of them acted as a whistle blower.
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| Hope they sort these probblems out, things like this makes clubs like Leigh and Halfax think they should be in Super league, which we all know is
laughable looking at the two respected clubs.
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| Can all the leigh fans stop posting in this thread. Its hard to read the decent posts without having to trawl through posts about your insignificant little club.
TIA
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"More likely someone formerly close to the club with inside knowledge.
Celtic have had a number of senior staff leave this year.
Its not beyond the realms of possibility that one of them acted as a whistle blower.'"
My thoughts earlier , in reply to Gutterfax's insinuations
Or possibly a disgruntled ex player
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| Quote ="Starbug"My thoughts earlier , in reply to Gutterfax's insinuations
Or possibly a disgruntled ex player'"
oh yes so someone in the club had detailed knowledge of the employment laws relating to migrating employees,
boy...........the players in celtic at least will give better interviews than gareth hock
i just love it
so now starbug
international espionage
a smuggling rind
and insider dealing.....within the last hour
i cant wait or windy miller to arrive..the expert straw clutcher!
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| Quote ="Huntington Beach Bad Boy"Can all the leigh fans stop posting in this thread. Its hard to read the decent posts without having to trawl through posts about your insignificant little club.
TIA'"
I think you will find it is not the Leigh fans who keep mentioning Leigh
Normally it is Widnes who are picked upon by posters when they are losing arguments , tonight it is our time
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| Quote ="Starbug"My thoughts earlier , in reply to Gutterfax's insinuations
Or possibly a disgruntled ex player'"
Does it matter?
If the players and/or the club have been bending the rules they deserve to have sanctions against them. How the authorities found out is surely an irrelevance.
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| Quote Quote ="chapster"oh yes so someone in the club had detailed knowledge of the employment laws relating to migrating employees,
boy...........the players in celtic at least will give better interviews than gareth hock
i just love it
so now starbug
international espionage
a smuggling rind
and insider dealing.....within the last hour
i cant wait or windy miller to arrive..the expert straw clutcher!'" '"
I notice you didn't question this post
Quote Roy Haggerty wrote: "Intelligence-led" means "someone tipped us off". So where's your bets ? Someone close to the WRU, or someone closer to the M62 ?
I suspect I'd be putting my money on the latter.
More likely someone formerly close to the club with inside knowledge.
Celtic have had a number of senior staff leave this year.
Its not beyond the realms of possibility that one of them acted as a whistle blower. '"
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