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| Quote ="Gronk!"Including neither marker being square and one of the markers (Peacock) pressuring the drop kick...but Wakey fan Thaler can't give Cas the easy under the stick penalty to win, can he?'"
That was ridiculous! Great game, terribly unlucky not to take the 2 points on offer and I thought Dorn was MOTM.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"That was horrible. Crocodile death roll followed by planting it into the floor when he knew he was twisting to try and get up. Grubby play and certainly don't expect it from him.'"
To be honest I do expect it from him. In the last season or two he has go progressively worse. Always seems to get away with it though.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"30 seconds from the end, Cas knock on recovered by an offside Cas player in front of him. Why was that given as a scrum and not a penalty?'"
Jamie Peacock trying to end Clark's career - clear penalty, kick you'd expect Sneyd not to miss
Peacock + the other marker stood next to each other - clear penalty pretty much under the sticks
Neither given, both happened before that and would have meant what you saw never happened if Thaler actually had the bottle to give clear penalties to give Cas the game.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"30 seconds from the end, Cas knock on recovered by an offside Cas player in front of him. Why was that given as a scrum and not a penalty?'"
Because the ref was biased in favour of leeds. He thought leeds would score a last second super try so didnt want to waste the glory on two point win. All refs are biased against some teams and in favour of others. Oddly it often seems to coincide with who the person stating the refs bias wanted to score.
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| I'm really shocked and disgusted at what happened. Leeds fans, and I know some fans of other teams, look up to Sinfield as not only a great player but a great guy outside of the game.
This is so unlike him, I assumed Dorn must have said something to Sinfield that we didn't see, but I can't see much evidence of that on replays. If this was someone like Tomkins or Bailey, there'd be calls for bans to end his season. Sinfield's clean disciplinary record will work to his advantage but he will rightly deserve a ban. As a Leeds fan I just hope it will end in time for the Challenge Cup Semi-Final! Though couldn't complain if it didn't.
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| I don't like Leeds and I don't particularly like Sinfield, but theres a bit of over reacting going on for me here. Stupid petulant play that has cost his team a point. Not a proper headbutt, 1-2 matches is all it deserves, but I think he'll get SOS if he makes an early guilty plea.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"There will be one or two fools who argue something like that but most Leeds fans will have no complaints. I just had a quick look on the RFL site. He's not been charged with anything in the last 6 years at least so that should stand in his favour and rightly so. Never the less it was a clear headbutt which is viewed quite seriously. EGP and 2 matches IMO.'"
He can't get an EGP if they go by their own guidelines. Grade B is 'light contact', C is 'full contact' and E-F (Which are not eligible for EGP) is 'full contact in an aggressive violent manner'. It would take some serious lying to suggest that he wasn't being aggressive and the contact wasn't violent there.
I think they'll probably go for a grade C and hope no one pulls them up on their incompetency.
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| Whilst I'm surprised at Sinfield, that was a football headbutt not a rugby headbutt so try to keep the outrage a level below that of the sensationalist Sky clowns.
I've never seen anyone sent off for "rutting stags" in either code of Rugby. You'll see several uses of the head the same or worse at play-the-balls in any match you care to choose.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif Tonights over-reaction theatre.
Sinfield was silly, he wasnt a full on head butt, more a head push but you still cant do that, he will get a few games.
Peacock did nothing other than tackle a player and hold on to him, whats he supposed to do let an untackled player go? That one is laughable.
Really good game, too good teams playing good RL. Probably the best quality game ive seen this season.
Typical of RLfans that we will be seeing a conversation about a stupid bit of nonsense and the referee rather than the brilliant game we have just seen.'"
it was a headbutt, pushing his head or not!
many other players have been in that position and manage not to do what he did!
as for the game, fantastic, best this season maybe
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| Sinfield the head case will get banned up to the semi final
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| Shocking by Sinfield, deserves to be punished heavily for that.
Fantastic advert for the game, apart from the stupid obstruction rule which cost Cas a try.
Dorn was my mom
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| Sensational game really enjoyed it.
Would love to know what Dorn said to Sinfield.
I would say that's worth a 2-3 match ban. One of the cleanest players in the game.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"That was horrible. Crocodile death roll followed by planting it into the floor when he knew he was twisting to try and get up. Grubby play and certainly don't expect it from him.'"
What the f##k you talking about great tackle nothing it just part of game.
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| Quote ="number 6"will await the first leeds poster to defend sinfield!
regardless of past history, he should be banned, peacock too for twisting clarkes ankle, pellisier (sp) did something similar to hereamaia last season intending to cause injury and got banned'"
And for the benefit of number 6, the winner of the "I'll defend my team to the death even when its blatantly obvious that Sinfield deserves a long ban" award is [size=150 SMOKEY!!![/size
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| He'll issue some sort of apology to maintain his clean cut image, and get sending off sufficent.
NFT.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"He can't get an EGP if they go by their own guidelines. Grade B is 'light contact', C is 'full contact' and E-F (Which are not eligible for EGP) is 'full contact in an aggressive violent manner'. It would take some serious lying to suggest that he wasn't being aggressive and the contact wasn't violent there.
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You must have led a very sheltered life if you think that was an aggressive, violent headbutt.
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| Can't defend that. Wasn't like Dorn had done anything really to warrant that reaction from Sinfield.....just a run of the mill holding down incident to start with.
I will say those that have gone on about the shocking language.....they do sound a bit ridiculous with that mock outrage.
For the headbutt incident he deserves somewhere between 3-5 matches I reckon. You'll take one off with a EGP.
3 matches misses Warrington in the cup semi.
5 matches would miss Wembley IF we got there.
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| As entertaining as this 'Aren't Leeds the big bad wolf' business is, can we get a touch of perspective?
Sinfield got the red card he deserved, but lets not pretend for one second that he's a dirty player, he's probably one of the cleanest players in the game and this is so far out of character I'd not believe it had happened unless I'd seen it with my own eyes.
Peacock wasn't trying to hurt Clark in any way, shape, or form. He tackled him and naturally rolled over his ankle, all he was trying to do by holding the ankle was slow down the play. Suggesting otherwise makes your agenda a touch obvious.
Leeds are not a dirty team (check out the stats), so expecting a headbutt from Leeds ahead of any other team suggests you're either an idiot, or have an agenda. I'd suggest both.
Yes, Leeds got every single call in the second half. When the ball hit McGuire (who hadn't moved) from the kick and it went back to one we got that call. When McGuire almost regathered and the ball bounced back up and hit the cas players arm and went forward but that wasn't given and Cas got the ball - we got that call too. When half a dozen Cas passes from dummy half went forward and weren't spotted, we got all those calls. Just like in the first half, in the first minute no less, when the ball was stripped from Peacock leading to the opening try, another call that went our way.
Pile on all you like, but at least try and stick vaguely to the reality of what actually happened.
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| Quote ="number 6"it was a headbutt, pushing his head or not!
many other players have been in that position and manage not to do what he did!
as for the game, fantastic, best this season maybe'"
I dont disagree, i havent said what he did was ok. It was just silly but nowhere near the worst headbutt i have ever seen. Silly, wrong, lower end of the scale, no excuses, sending off right, he will get a couple of games. Life will go one.
Biggest punishment is that we looked on top and relatively comfortable at that point.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"30 seconds from the end, Cas knock on recovered by an offside Cas player in front of him. Why was that given as a scrum and not a penalty?'"
Surely because the knock-on is the first offence? The fact a Cas player touches it next just kills the play?
Hate to repeat the theme of the year but the obstruction interpretation needs looking at - the disallowed try was a horrible decision.
And Sinfield! Kind Kev's crown has slipped a little tonight, losing the plot and headbutting is classy indeed. Leeds' old boys are getting sloppy at the dirty stuff in their tender years.
Joking aside, what a great game.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Whilst I'm surprised at Sinfield, that was a football headbutt not a rugby headbutt so try to keep the outrage a level below that of the sensationalist Sky clowns.
I've never seen anyone sent off for "rutting stags" in either code of Rugby. You'll see several uses of the head the same or worse at play-the-balls in any match you care to choose.'"
That's the thing though. Had it happened at a play the ball it would have been that situation. But the penalty had been given, and Sinfield has to walk over to him to stick the head in. What the Cas player did was what you say above, squaring up and rutting, but Sinfield does go OTT with the aggression and does end up planting him one. The wild flurry of expletives and the rage in his face doesn't help him much there.
We've all seen worse headbutts, but it's a headbutt and the red and a 3-4 game ban (Which I would be happy to have reduced given his record), but under their own rules, they can't do that, so it'll have to be a grade C.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"And for the benefit of number 6, the winner of the "I'll defend my team to the death even when its blatantly obvious that Sinfield deserves a long ban" award is[size=150 SMOKEY!!![/size'"
Bollox 1 game 2 as a token just so there isn't an anti Leeds meltdown n here.
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| Quote ="wigsey"Sensational game really enjoyed it.
Would love to know what Dorn said to Sinfield.
I would say that's worth a 2-3 match ban. One of the cleanest players in the game.'"
Dorn seemed to be talking to the ref more than he was to Sinfield. I just thought he took exception to whatever Dorn was accusing him of.
Good game anyway, two well matched sides and a draw was a pretty fair result. I thought the Carney disallowed try was dubious but can see why it wasn't given.
Am I the only one who thought Abletts first was a double movement? His arm went down before the line and his momentum stopped. I don't see how he can be allowed to have a juggle with it and then reach over the line.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I dont disagree, i havent said what he did was ok. It was just silly but nowhere near the worst headbutt i have ever seen. Silly, wrong, lower end of the scale, no excuses, sending off right, he will get a couple of games. Life will go one.
Biggest punishment is that we looked on top and relatively comfortable at that point.'"
over aggressive would see an e-f grading, pushing your head into someone elses' would seem so, but his clean record would swing his way, just like peacock who had never thrown a punch in his career before the leigh game!
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