I should imagine if Leeds and Saints meet again next year in the grand final the RFL will again be doing there quick fix and try doing something different.
We,ve gone from top 4 to a top 2 in 3 easy seasons so far, whilst proclaiming the salary cap is working and more competitive.

It's NEVER been a top 4, I dont know what you're smoking

Saints, Bradford, Leeds, and Wigan in that order from 1996 to 2006.

If you have only been watching the game from 2007, then you are correct.

Not really.. Wigan were never competitive post 02ish, Leeds weren't competitive until 04ish and Bradford dropped off miserably post 05.
Sometimes there were 3 dominant teams, the third having a chance but it was always a 2

It's a top two/three for one off games, over the season the games have been closer with some suprise results. More of which will come next year IMO.

Scrapping the Grand Final and reverting back to the first past the post system would be ridiculous. Super League needs all the high intensity games and media profile it can get, and the press do give more space to the Grand Final than what they normally do precisely because it is a winner takes all championship game.

If a team wants to be champions then it should be down to them to achieve it and the playoffs remove the possibilty of losing a game and becoming champions because of results in other games. I also believe that teams shouldn't be allowed to be able to get into a position where they can afford to lose games and still become champions, as true champion teams are able to produce the goods when they know that there is no second chance if they lose.

I want to complain , we had exactly the same argument on here last week , so if we can have the same subject ' discussed ' on a weekly basis I want to have a weekly ' discussion ' on franchising and the ending of P and R

You mean we don't talk about that any more? Widnes fans must be feeling very lonely

Yes. We know.

There would be more high intensity games week in week out if the final league table determined winners and losers.

Thats the dumbest thing anyone has ever said on these boards....and these boards are full of idiots.

So, congratulations.

No, really....

More so when you log in, I've seen your posts. Do you want to contribute to the debate, if not pick another thread to post your drivel.

You think I want to enter into a debate with a stupid moron like yourself?

Hear Hear.

Like it or loathe it, it is an inescapable fact that the Grand Final is one of only two games each season that is played in a major stadium in front of a large crowd. Only two games each season attract a decent amount of coverage in the wider national media (not as much as there should be, but a good deal more than on a standard weekend).

And, as pointed out by numerous posters on various threads in past times, when the game moved to a Grand Final in 1998 it was simply returning to its historical roots as a means of deciding the champions. That is for those who are aware of the game's existence before 1973.

err, you are doing.

Let's return to winter then, and unlimited tackles. RFL couldn't give a stuff about history.

No there would not be! as you will have the farce of teams who know they wont win the league playing weaker teams. It has been unfair in the past when team a beats you with its full squad then later in the season turns out a reseve or weak side against your close rival at the top of the league & gets walloped thus potentialy costing you the top spot. If some people prefer the old system fair enough you dont have to watch It just leaves it to the people who want it ie the clubs the sponsors & most important the TV & advertisers.

So the sponsors and TV are more important than the fans... interesting.

Who sold the game out to TV?

Why do you think sponsors may like TV?

Why does TV SELL advertising space and sponsorship slots?

Because 1100 will turn up at cougar park or 300,000 plus will watch the TV.

Can't really work it out myself

This isn't a debate.

I'm mocking you!

Association Football - Soccer
Rugby Football - Rugger

The nicknames are as English as you can get.

Id have more teams in smaller divisions based on geography, NFL style.

Great way to cut down fixtures to a better amount and it would create much more interest in the comp. Especially if you'd only met the Eastern clubs once before playoff time
2 8 team conferences- 7 H&A against your own 8 alternating Fixtures with the other plus magic weekend and playoffs.
Money would be tight but its a bet for the future

One good way of taking a couple of games out of the season would be to cancel the Tragic event and cut the play offs from four weeks to three.

The Tragic shambles is played in a stadium 3/4 empty and the crowds for the opening week of the play offs were so poor they could hardly be called crowds.

With the extra two games another team could enter SL or have an Intl that weekend v France.

I'd have the Magic event kick off the SL season.

I'd cut the playoffs back to 3 weeks and 6 teams, I think thats all SL can cop with with the quality of teams ATM.

The number of games isn't a problems for you lot right now, especially when you balance it against the need to make money.


You play more games but they are lower quality and lower intensity, so they don't make that much of an impact on your players.