as its your post im reading,i'll assume it your perception of leigh,but if youve got a link were the rfl have said leigh will never be allowed in SLE because your just a small town in wigan,then by all means bring it forward.

good job manchester doesn't have a team because if they did you lot wouldn't even exist.

Is SWINTON a town/village or just an area of MANCHESTER?

I really don't know.

a town in its own right, but under salford mbc.
i 'm guessing that happened when the bounderies changed in 1974 the same with leigh.

Thank you.

the population of the barrow 'council district' is around 72,000. the population of widnes alone is over 60'000, without including outlying villages, of which there are a few. and if we are talking 'boroughs' then the population of Halton is well over 120'000. and this does not include places like frodsham, Helsby, Hale or Cronton which it would be reasonable to include.

You can assume what you like, I really could not care less.
The RFL are not going to actually say that are they?
Also I said they didn't want you, not that you were not allowed, but lets not let facts get in the way of a good tale eh?
I think you will find Manchester and Salford have had lots of teams over the years.
Where are they now?

So you made it up in your head then.

Quote ="The Clan"I'd love to see a strong SL club in Cumbria and we should have poured recourses into that county in order to achieve this. On the population question The Wakefield District has a population of around =#0040FF350,000 but if you remove Castleford, Featherstone, Normanton, Altofts, Knottingley, Ackworth, Airdale, Fryston, Ryhill, Hemsworth you are left with a population of around=#0040FF 135,000 which is much larger (almost double) that of Barrow at =#0040FF72,000'" Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.

Quote ="The Clan"I'd love to see a strong SL club in Cumbria and we should have poured recourses into that county in order to achieve this. On the population question The Wakefield District has a population of around =#0040FF350,000 but if you remove Castleford, Featherstone, Normanton, Altofts, Knottingley, Ackworth, Airdale, Fryston, Ryhill, Hemsworth you are left with a population of around=#0040FF 135,000 which is much larger (almost double) that of Barrow at =#0040FF72,000'" Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.

Quote ="SRC"Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.'" Yet we still got bigger crowds in SL then Wakey and higher than Barrow (& anyone else) in Championship now, so regardless of area size facts speak up louder. Wire a bigger club? Naaaaaa!

Quote ="SRC"Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.'" Yet we still got bigger crowds in SL then Wakey and higher than Barrow (& anyone else) in Championship now, so regardless of area size facts speak up louder. Wire a bigger club? Naaaaaa!

I'll bring the Beneteau down the Ship canal from the marina at Albert Dock , are you having somewhere I can ' tie her up '

Quote ="SRC"Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.'" Please don't try and tell me about Wakefield, I've excluded all the areas that wouldnt count as central Wakefield and have only counted in those areas that are within the traditional boundaries of Wakefield District and not Borough. 135,000 Wiki isn't a good point of ref to cite either.

Quote ="SRC"Wakefield population - 76,886 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield My point was more that we have a captive audience, unlike all Yorkshire clubs, who are situated in an over-saturated RL area. Widnes population - 57,663 .......... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widnes Again, that area has 2 bigger clubs on the doorstep in Warrington and Saints. Wigan aint that far away either.'" Please don't try and tell me about Wakefield, I've excluded all the areas that wouldnt count as central Wakefield and have only counted in those areas that are within the traditional boundaries of Wakefield District and not Borough. 135,000 Wiki isn't a good point of ref to cite either.

And let's not forget that you've already enjoyed the attendance boost that a new stadium brings.

Wakefield averaged nearly 6,500 last year and that was on the back of one of the worst season in terms of performances in many fans living memory.

A new stadium coupled with new investors/owners may well see a Trinity resurgence and potentially 10,000 crowds.

Your way out on the Halifax population score too. 82,056 Fax, 59,182 Barrow and borough's 192,485 Calderdale, 71,981 Barrow

Dont you just love Wiki

If you read my post I said that Barrow borough population was bigger or [icomparable[/i to Halifax. I think 70-odd thousand is comparable to 80-odd thousand. More so when talking about catchment areas and number of other, bigger, RL clubs close to Halifax.

think you misread mine too as 192000 compared to 71000 is a mile apart

A fine willy waving competition to be sure but I'm not sure town boundaries are the be all and end all of the catchment area discussion. Many of these clubs which purportedly have a larger population area than Mexico City and Tokyo put together have not achieved decent crowds in years anyway.

Not so! They've done far better than Mexico City and Tokyo have.

You would concede though that a) it is clear that they have made progress and b) you thought it was never going to happen.

No , it has been quite obvious that they have been shifting dirt for several months now

I have never suggested it wasn't going to happen , just that it wasn't going to happen when they said it was going to happen , and also what they said was going to happen has in fact changed from what was originally going to happen

Happen

Well, you're certainly right about that. Salford originally had grand plans for a stadium, casino, hotel which was apparently going to make them 'the richest club in Superleague' and, if I recall rightly 'a million pounds a season before a turnstyle clicks' (which was a Tarryism I think). They've since adjusted their expectations to something much more sensible. Steady growth is where it's at.

However, it should always be remembered that it was a pretty ambitious project (just be location for a start) and they've done tremendously well to get it sorted finally. Crowds of 10,000 are enough to fund a decent SL side. You've got to expect that their new facility will get them to that pretty easily. Without question, it will strengthen the competition enormously and you have to also expect them to be secured in SL for many years to come.

Nothing is ' easy ' these days , a lot of work will be required , I hope they understand that

But whatever , it is looking like something at last , and that is a good thing

www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1105 Buy a brick for the Tigers' new stadium. Doubt the club would be taking money off fans if it wasn't going ahead.

www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1105 Buy a brick for the Tigers' new stadium. Doubt the club would be taking money off fans if it wasn't going ahead.

Was it P T Barnum who stated something or other?

:3qma0t34How are clubs planning new or redeveloped stadia going to be assessed?

New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season

The RFL will bottle it cos it knows if it looks too closely at Stadia, Bradford and Hull KR & Leeds wouldn't exactly come out shinning! Making away fans stand in uncovered areas in 2010 is not really great. The RFL should be flexible if the stadiums are in the process of being built fair enough ( I mean being built, not just the groundworks being done! ) If not then boot em out!

16 pages in , you havent been paying attention , have you ?