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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"It seems as though the RFL & Sky TV [itheir pundits must have been ordered to be nothing but positive about them on air from what I have seen[/i have trumpeted, championed & lauded Toronto so much that the embarrassment alone will push them towards keeping them as a SL Club !'"
Why would that be the case especially with Sky pundits? Wouldn't sky be annoyed at losing a game to broadcast?
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| Quote ="The Silent H"Why would that be the case especially with Sky pundits? Wouldn't sky be annoyed at losing a game to broadcast?
Maybe those sky pundits were offering their sincere opinions.'"
Maybe they know that Toronto will still be in Super League next season ?
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Hull Kr aren’t good enough either? Shall we kick them out too? At least Catalans come from a decent area instead of an area that looks like it was used for filming Shameless Stop being xenophobic you moron. Catalans are a big club, Hull Kr aren’t'"
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| Quote ="Donnyman" So forget 10 years, Superleague won't want this mess ever again not in 100 years. Let's just get the Bulls back in SL. When Perez was there I felt he should have stayed there, somewhere where he could have done the game a lot of good. Somewhere where he could make amends following all his nonsense.......'"
You see, you did come around to my wicked plan after all.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"That's a brilliant post..........
Replacing a club here in England like Hemel and substituting it with a club in Canada in Ottawa adds how many more clubs to the professional game?
None. But Ottawa will continually be called an "Expansion club"
Taking away the local semi-pro club that managed to make Hemel a Rugby League town with top players coming through (Dan Sargison?) contracts the player development base in the south. Yes contraction
OK Ottawa may have access to a few $Million but to get anywhere and to justify replacing proper clubs like we see with phoney Wolfpack replacing the Broncos (hence Canadian clubs destroy our southern base) they need something more than money and that is the desire to grow the game on top of the game here, not replace it and depress it in the south of England.
People may recall the rumour a year or two back Argyle was to buy into London Skolars? Imagine if he had done that back in 2017 and supported Skolars, then partnered with Broncos and Hemel, how that would have massively boosted the Game here in England. Real expansion
The word just isn't expansion. It's substitution and damaging at that....'"
Where would you expand first if you in charge of ETP?
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| Is he going to buy it and move it to New York?
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| Quote ="snowie"Is he going to buy it and move it to New York?'"
Very astute good sir, that seems to be the plan. Saves a couple of seasons walloping the minnows.
Also Rugby Union club from here were interested - or so it's said.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Very astute good sir, that seems to be the plan. Saves a couple of seasons walloping the minnows.
Also Rugby Union club from here were interested - or so it's said.'" he could move it to Bradford and open up another avenue saving costs of transporting players over to America
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| Quote ="JTCFJG"Where would you expand first if you in charge of ETP?'"
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| Quote ="snowie"he could move it to Bradford and open up another avenue saving costs of transporting players over to America
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There's stuff about buying TWP's "Franchise" but TWP is not a franchise.
Also stuff about private equity investment but that's just private investment as opposed to investing via the stock market, either way investors look for returns, not multi £Million losses.
Minus £18,000,000 is far from a return..........
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"If it happens although I can't see it, as a Leigh fan (with the player production taken into consideration also) I'd go for Widnes.'"
Not sure they have the monetary backing. Mr. Beaumont apparently has that monetary backing. The criteria Hetherington states are all OK but if these clubs cannot afford to compete that's that?
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| Quote ="snowie"Is he going to buy it and move it to New York?'"
Bit more on this, Any purchase of TWP's place depends on that place in Superleague "remaining intact", hence the move by Wilby is to see if New York can simply step in accordingly.
The benefit to Wilby is his alleged backers won't face the $$Millions they (if they exist) will have to lay out to go through the Championships. The intention would be to secure the SL place and go straight to building an SL team for next year.
Whatever you think [u in theory[/u it's worth Wilby taking a punt, the downside is that that place in Superleague may be lost to TWP today when the RFL meet to discuss Toronto's "participation agreement" (not Franchise). Wilby is basically saying give us their place in SL next season and we will carry on the "expansion" project?.
The practice may be different, even if the RFL chuck out TWP (well what remains of them, kit, balls and snake oil) there's half a dozen English clubs who would like to have that spot.
Cynics amongst us may believe this is an exit strategy for Wilby. Pretend New York are all ready to go in Superleague, ask for their place and when told no, disband and blame the RFL/SL for being anti-expansion. How in earth would Wilby even find a competitive team in a matter of months? He just wouldn't but this may save his face?
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| If there is any truth in the article, RL is starting to get a little bit grubby.
Are SL spots now for sale on the open market, what the hell is going on ??
Covid19 apart, a great city but, still not a great fit with SL.
Does this fit with the geographical connectivity that Elstone mentioned the other week.
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Quote ="Durham Giant"All posts on expansionism to go in here .'"
To get this right, expansion was defined at the time of Toronto Wolfpack's introduction here.
BACK CHAT SPECIAL -ERIC PEREZ - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4
19 Jul 2016 ... Toronto Wolfpack Chairman Eric Perez reveals the future of Rugby League - but not as we know it Jim. He explains to Dave Woods how Ice ...
You will hear Mr. Perez saying professional sport "needs to stimulate grass roots growth" and he talks about the importance of Paying Television deals.
It's a very attractive proposition that we have a club say in New York or the South of France, and very welcome if more New Yorkers and French lads take up the game as a result, and pay to watch these clubs on TV, but if all this does is [usubstitute[/u clubs here who people do want to pay to watch on TV and who do produce new players like London for clubs that just provide exotic names and locations that isn't expansion.
In fact it would be "Contraction".........
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To get this right, expansion was defined at the time of Toronto Wolfpack's introduction here.
BACK CHAT SPECIAL -ERIC PEREZ - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4
19 Jul 2016 ... Toronto Wolfpack Chairman Eric Perez reveals the future of Rugby League - but not as we know it Jim. He explains to Dave Woods how Ice ...
You will hear Mr. Perez saying professional sport "needs to stimulate grass roots growth" and he talks about the importance of Paying Television deals.
It's a very attractive proposition that we have a club say in New York or the South of France, and very welcome if more New Yorkers and French lads take up the game as a result, and pay to watch these clubs on TV, but if all this does is [usubstitute[/u clubs here who people do want to pay to watch on TV and who do produce new players like London for clubs that just provide exotic names and locations that isn't expansion.
In fact it would be "Contraction".........
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"If there is any truth in the article, RL is starting to get a little bit grubby.
Are SL spots now for sale on the open market, what the hell is going on ??
Covid19 apart, a great city but, still not a great fit with SL.
Does this fit with the geographical connectivity that Elstone mentioned the other week.'"
The all lot stinks time to say no to them both and any other teams in Canada and the America time to get the out
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| Quote ="Donnyman"ETP?'"
THE most important programme in RL.
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| Quote ="The Silent H"Are Toronto still an expansion club now that they have reached Super league?'"
They are not in SL or any other league at the moment, expanded to extinction perhaps or just to New York.
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| You need to get out more. Much more. Skegness is not the centre of the global tourism industry.
BTW. There is no such thing as Bradford Canal. There however is Bradford Beck, Leeds Liverpool Canal and The River Aire.i will pass each after leaving the airport in 4 hours.
There is also the Ionian Sea but not in Yorkshire. It has lots of red snapper and tuna. That was Thursday..
I do hope you enjoyed your Yorkshire Day in Skeg Vegas.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"The last one was four years to achieve the plan to get to SL, a year late, but that was without any return on the £18,000,000 invested which was supposed to be Canadian players and TV deals.
As for Ottawa there's no sign they have £18,000,00 to burn, and there's no chance of SL level Canadian players or a Canadian TV deal either. Perez just can't let go.
So forget 10 years, Superleague won't want this mess ever again not in 100 years. Let's just get the Bulls back in SL. When Perez was there I felt he should have stayed there, somewhere where he could have done the game a lot of good. Somewhere where he could make amends following all his nonsense.......'"
Wont let this happen again ??
Not in a 100 years ??
Have you been asleep for the last 25 years
Paris, Crusaders, Bulls bust, Toronto. The list is endless (almost).
3 x 8 structure
MPG
The litany of mistakes is endless and do you really think that they're going to stop.
RL is a desperate sport, prepared to take a punt on just about anything that it feels may help, even if it's doomed to fail.
It' needs stability over everything else and ideally a shed load of cash.
There needs to be a decision made as to how many top flight professional clubs that the game can support.
Serious thought given to the international game and serious thought given on how to grow the sport globally (which needs the Aussies on board).
We have a world cup next season (hopefully) and there should be plans to use this to make advances in developing the game on the back of it.
Is there a plan (that has a chance of success) or, are we going to lurch from further failed scheme to further failed scheme
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| Quote ="snowie" Disused but there was talks of reopening it '"
Very astute as usual. Canal Road in Bradford is a reminder of the Bradford Canal Branch of the Leeds Liverpool Canal. The canal was extensively used by Bradfordians as a great big rubbish tip which led to it's closure as a health hazard. Later the Odsal bowl was also used as a great big rubbish tip .
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