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| Quote ="Tigerade"When it spills out onto the terraces though and fans are in danger (as they were on Saturday) looking ridiculous is his least worry.'"
Agreed but I really don't see how sin binning 26 players fixes that. Just boot the ball out and go home is the quickest, easiest solution. The players just took an age to do it.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Sounds about right does that. I'm thinking that match was about '94 or 95'. Crooks, Nickau, Blackmore, Mike Ford, Steadman and Kemp era for Cas.'"
*Nikau
Great player. His book is very interesting too.
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| Quote ="bren2k"That strikes me every time I watch them - they've got a squad to envy, a first class set-up, and a healthy home following; if they made a conscious decision to pack in all the grubby housery and just play fast, free-flowing rugby to their best potential, they could be consistently in the mix - but there seems to be a chip on the shoulder mentality embedded at the club, that no coach has been able to transcend.
I don't get it at all.'"
Yep. Don't forget that it was their cheating that was the final straw and made the referees change the way the ruck is monitored (and the way Cas responded to it). Thankfully, it improved the game.
A number of things come from that game:
1. Chatting to the ref needs to be stamped out. Questioning a decision is ten metres. If a captain questions it, do it respectfully or ten metres.
2. Alcohol needs to be looked at. Clubs make money from it, so they'll be reluctant, but it needs addressing.
3. Points deductions for crowd trouble.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"It was James Child’s fault that he lost control of the game, yes. The incidents in the crowd were as a result of the game being out of control.'"
=#FF0000Post edited, refrain from name calling. Since when was the referee responsible for the actions of grown men in the stands or players on the pitch. There is nothing else James Child could have done. The only people responsible for the crowd trouble were the hooligans involved. You need to just accept that once again it’s Warrington fans causing trouble and this time they have humiliated and damaged our sport.
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| Quote ="IR80"Hill ia just a dirty bully, like the kid at school who was that bit bigger than everyone else, he should have got 3 matches.'"
Agree completely, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a captain behave like he does week in week out. The way he talks to the officials is embarrassing and the way he behaved throughout the game and then towards the end was pathetic. As you say a dirty bully with a massive superiority complex. At least 3 games he should have got, if Steve Price has anything about him he’d strip him of the captaincy at the end of the season. Have to say both coaches comments were extremely disappointing, choosing to complain about the referee instead of acknowledging the disgraceful behaviour of fans and players.
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| Quote ="AS108"Agree completely, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a captain behave like he does week in week out. The way he talks to the officials is embarrassing and the way he behaved throughout the game and then towards the end was pathetic. As you say a dirty bully with a massive superiority complex. At least 3 games he should have got, if Steve Price has anything about him he’d strip him of the captaincy at the end of the season. Have to say both coaches comments were extremely disappointing, choosing to complain about the referee instead of acknowledging the disgraceful behaviour of fans and players.'"
So you're ignoring the last 15 years of paul wellens and jon wilkin screaming at refs then? Ok?
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| Quote ="AS108"=#FF0000Original post editedSince when was the referee responsible for the actions of grown men in the stands or players on the pitch. There is nothing else James Child could have done. The only people responsible for the crowd trouble were the hooligans involved. You need to just accept that once again it’s Warrington fans causing trouble and this time they have humiliated and damaged our sport.'"
Whilst I agree that it most definitely NOT the refs fault that the Wire fans couldnt behave.
The ref definitely does have an effect on how the players behave.
If the ref is not protecting the players by penalising foul play and sin binning / sending off players for "mis behaving", they will take retribution themselves.
Quite often you will see games where the ref is not in control of the players and the game boils over and there was stuff going on in the Catalan /Wire game that Child dealt with badly (or not at all).
Shoulder charges, knees in tackles, head shots, late hits - it was all going on and he lost control.
As I said, this does not forgive ANY of the crowd trouble and in a game where so many players have been cited by the disciplinary, the officiating also needs looking at.
The whole thing was a disgrace
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"So you're ignoring the last 15 years of paul wellens and jon wilkin screaming at refs then? Ok?'"
Difference is, Wilkin and Wellens were far more respectful and didn’t resort to swearing every other sentence.
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| Quote ="AS108"Difference is, Wilkin and Wellens were far more respectful and didn’t resort to swearing every other sentence.'"
You must have really good hearing to know that.
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| Quote ="AS108"=#FF0000Post edited, refrain from name calling. Since when was the referee responsible for the actions of grown men in the stands or players on the pitch. There is nothing else James Child could have done. The only people responsible for the crowd trouble were the hooligans involved. You need to just accept that once again it’s Warrington fans causing trouble and this time they have humiliated and damaged our sport.'"
Once again it’s Warrington fans? I believe there have been other instances of crowd trouble this year, maybe not on the scale as Saturday or as widely reported. I suppose all Saints fans are perfect little angels.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"It was James Child’s fault that he lost control of the game, yes. The incidents in the crowd were as a result of the game being out of control.'"
Explain how James Child caused fully grown adults to hit each other, both on and off the pitch.
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| Quote ="Him"Explain how James Child caused fully grown adults to hit each other, both on and off the pitch.'"
Have you ever tried to knock a nail into a knot in a piece of wood
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| Quote ="Willzay"Once again it’s Warrington fans? I believe there have been other instances of crowd trouble this year, maybe not on the scale as Saturday or as widely reported. I suppose all Saints fans are perfect little angels.'"
I've never seen "supporters" climbing up railings to get to opppsition suppprters, not in RL.
Seems some Warrington fans have gone into Shaggy mode, "it wasn't me"
Whatever kicked it off Hill should be stripped of the captaincy, for his language alone.
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| Child dropped to the championship, hes got Widnes this weekend. Even Ganson has seen something wrong.
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| Quote ="IR80"Also, IIRC there was nothing wrong with the tackle, Gary had just tried an up and under and the Cas player took out his standing leg, no malice that I could see, just an accident.'"
It was Rambo ron Gibbs, and yes at the time it was legal, but there malice in it Gibbs new exactley what he was doing delibratly set out to and succeeded in maiming and ending a players career, rightly that type of tackle is banned.
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| Quote ="AS108"Difference is, Wilkin and Wellens were far more respectful and didn’t resort to swearing every other sentence.'"
Yes, wellens and wilkin those well known respecters of referees who never screamed or howled or ran towards a referee with their arms outstretched whilst scowling in disbelief.
Yes.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Yes, wellens and wilkin those well known respecters of referees who never screamed or howled or ran towards a referee with their arms outstretched whilst scowling in disbelief.
Yes.'"
Wellens did a lot of arm waving at tries but he was separated from the ref for 99% of the match by at least 15-20 metres.
Hill is in the refs ear every other set of 6.
Wellens was a choir boy compared to hill
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Child dropped to the championship, hes got Widnes this weekend. Even Ganson has seen something wrong.'"
Or he has been taken out of the firing line because of what he had to deal with last week?
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Wellens did a lot of arm waving at tries but he was separated from the ref for 99% of the match by at least 15-20 metres.
Hill is in the refs ear every other set of 6.
Wellens was a choir boy compared to hill'"
Sure he was
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| Quote ="Angelus"Or he has been taken out of the firing line because of what he had to deal with last week?'"
What's the difference?
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Yes, wellens and wilkin those well known respecters of referees who never screamed or howled or ran towards a referee with their arms outstretched whilst scowling in disbelief.
Yes.'"
Well Yes, but nothing on the same scale as "Budgie" Hill, he is in a completely different ball park to what has gone on before, and he just goes on and on and on, often having a go chasing the ref and the tough judges with intimidation and disrespect.
For me he must be as thick as a plank, as if the ref is going to change his decision, his coach needs to drop the captaincy off him he is becoming an embarrassment and a disgrace not just to his club but to rugby league as a whole.
He is a great prop forward but as a captain more of a spoilt child in a mans body.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"It was Rambo ron Gibbs, and yes at the time it was legal, but there malice in it Gibbs new exactley what he was doing delibratly set out to and succeeded in maiming and ending a players career, rightly that type of tackle is banned.'"
I never knew it ended Garys career.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Sure he was'"
You see some rival fans can be civil and find common ground
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| Quote ="wire-quin"What's the difference?'"
One indicates he has been dropped for poor performance, the other indicates his performance was ok and he just shouldn't have to deal with people blaming him for everything this week.
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Child dropped to the championship, hes got Widnes this weekend. Even Ganson has seen something wrong.'"
and another French team?
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