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| Quote ="Fully"Leeds - 2006 - 11,016. Incidentally, the last time it WASNT played on TV.'"
Nice one Fully
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| Quote ="Fully"Leeds - 2006 - 11,016. Incidentally, the last time it WASNT played on TV.'" As I said Quote ="SmokeyTA"Castleford have had 4 attendances over 11k this millennium. And not one since prior to their 2nd relegation. and since then only one over 10k, which was against Wakefield and not Leeds. This is indicative of the attendances as a whole falling (as are the averages) rather than an unfortunate coincidence with Sky and Leeds.'"
what part of that was your post in response to?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"As I said '"
We both know, Leeds not on Sky, crowd = 10+. Trivial argument I know, principle still stands though, imo.
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| Quote ="Towns88"We both know, Leeds not on Sky, crowd = 10+. Trivial argument I know, principle still stands though, imo.'"
you have had 1 crowd of 10k+ in 5 years which was against Wakefield. Thats nothing to do with Sky.
You have had 4 crowds of 11k this since the year 2000.
To pretend it is Sky's scheduling which prevents Cas getting 10k/11k crowds in nonsense. They very rarely do so. Less than once every 2 seasons over the past 10 years.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you have had 1 crowd of 10k+ in 5 years which was against Wakefield. Thats nothing to do with Sky.
You have had 4 crowds of 11k this since the year 2000.
To pretend it is Sky's scheduling which prevents Cas getting 10k/11k crowds in nonsense. They very rarely do so. Less than once every 2 seasons over the past 10 years.'"
I'm not pretending anything I'm just stating a fact.
When we play Leeds for example, we will get crowds of 10/11,000 when its not on sky.
Our biggest attendances the last 2 season have come against Wakefield, both games NOT on sky. That's all i'm stating. Not pretending anything.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I'm not pretending anything I'm just stating a fact.
When we play Leeds for example, we will get crowds of 10/11,000 when its not on sky.
Our biggest attendances the last 2 season have come against Wakefield, both games NOT on sky. That's all i'm stating. Not pretending anything.'"
I wouldn't bother mate, even with facts for him he still tries saying you're wrong and wont give in until you get bored and give in, it's like a broken record that you can't turn off. Or one of them annoying little dogs, you know the type, the ones that keep yapping and running round under your feet.
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| Cheers Gaslight. I know what you mean.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I'm not pretending anything I'm just stating a fact.
When we play Leeds for example, we will get crowds of 10/11,000 when its not on sky.
Our biggest attendances the last 2 season have come against Wakefield, both games NOT on sky. That's all i'm stating. Not pretending anything.'"
You are pretending you will get crowds of 11k when the game isnt on Sky. You have got 4 crowds of that level in 10 years. You want to pretend that there is a pattern there, fine. But there obviously isnt.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"I wouldn't bother mate, even with facts for him he still tries saying you're wrong and wont give in until you get bored and give in, it's like a broken record that you can't turn off. Or one of them annoying little dogs, you know the type, the ones that keep yapping and running round under your feet.'"
I blame Gareth Thomas.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I blame Gareth Thomas.'"
Wow, witty, seriously I'm surprised you don't have your own sketch show with humour like that
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Wow, witty, seriously I'm surprised you don't have your own sketch show with humour like that
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Come on Gaslight. Practice what you preach.
We shall both go to bed tonight (not together) knowing our team are top of the league and in line for a bumper crowd V's Hull KR in 2 week (which WONT be on sky).
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| However you sugar coat it, getting less than 2000 to a supposedly top league pro sports club is embarrasing for the game. They should be put on notice that they either sort out their fanbase or they drop down. Being a protected species isn't doing them any favours as there seems to be little investment, intent or interest in getting people through the gate.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under" there seems to be little investment, intent or interest in getting people through the gate.'"
I have been saying that for 8 years now.............but nobody there would ever listen. The marketing plan in my signature would cost less than 20k to implement.....but would invove hard work so there's no chance of it being implemented.
I have no doubt that there were more than 2k there for the game yesterday.........but in reality, they need 8' to be self sufficient
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I have been saying that for 8 years now.............but nobody there would ever listen. The marketing plan in my signature would cost less than 20k to implement.....but would invove hard work so there's no chance of it being implemented.
[uI have no doubt that there were more than 2k there for the game yesterday[/u.........but in reality, they need 8' to be self sufficient'"
What would they gain from lieing though? Doesn't make sense, if anything you'd think they'd inflate the crowds so that people get the wrong impression that the experiment's big enough for SL.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Or the ' damp patch ' after a sh.g'"
what kind of pipe do you smoke ?
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| Quote ="Roofs"What would they gain from lieing though?
Doesn't make sense, if anything you'd think they'd inflate the crowds so that people get the wrong impression that the experiment's big enough for SL.'"
Not sure if the club have lied......more like they lost count at the gates or something.....strange.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"However you sugar coat it, getting less than 2000 to a supposedly top league pro sports club is embarrasing for the game. They should be put on notice that they either sort out their fanbase or they drop down. Being a protected species isn't doing them any favours as there seems to be little investment, intent or interest in getting people through the gate.'"
I agree with you & gutterfax (who has made some very good points throughout this thread). It does seem the more & more Quins get support the less the club seems to promote itself (from what I gather). With the RFL taking over / helping with development work surely that would give a platform to improve marketing?
You can have 1 million kids playing RL in the region but that doesn't bring any money into the club and how long can the chairman keep putting money in? Bare in mind we are a game governed in a franchise system having crowds of 1,700 is a big, big worry!
You can't take away from the growing youth & amateur scene in London and however much directly that goes to Quins. The youth production is now working well (would lose a link if lost Quins brand?) and the win against Cru is also very good. But a Championship club with 300k cap couldn't run on 1,700 crowds never mind SL!
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| 1766 paying fans was very disappointing. Not defending the figures but the bums on seats were no worse than the Crusaders game last year. We only have about 600 season ticket holders and the rest turn up when they want, or when finances allow. Disappointed but attendances will pick up with the bigger games, with both home and away fans turning up in greater numbers, especially if Quins continue to be competitive and the pitches dry out.
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| Quote gutterfax wrote:It is often rumoured that part of the deal with SKY funding the game is that there has to be a London based team.
Not saying it's true, but the speed in which we were permitted to keep our points and position in the table by the other SL Chairmen in 2005 would point to there being a real benefit to having a london based team. Apparently the SL Chairmen were told by Lewis that if we were to be ejected from SL it would impact on the amount of cash they receive.....
So that would make Quins the most important team in super league.
So super leagues life span all depends on Quins. If they was to go bust then that would be the end of every club in the land.
=#FF0000What would we all do without Quins'"
See lots more teams on minus points at the begining of the season
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| Quote ="wire-quin"The thrashing they handed to Widnes 'b' team yesterday is an example of what is going on in London
MoM today was O'Callaghan- Local lad.
It doesnt matter what your crowd is when you have a wealthy owner-'"
You won 42-28!
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| Quote You won 42-28!'"
If they hadn’t taken Calderwood, Sargison, Mellor, Krasniqi, Thomas, Caro plus others of with 20 to go, to have a look at some youngsters make no mistake it could have been 100
Widnes scored 2 in about 5 mins at the very end. The game was as one way as you will ever see for 60 mins.
And the crowd was about 40 in keeping with southern crowds to keep it on topic
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| Quote ="east stander"If they hadn’t taken Calderwood, Sargison, Mellor, Krasniqi, Thomas, Caro plus others of with 20 to go, to have a look at some youngsters make no mistake it could have been 100'"
So a team containing a guy who was SL top scorer 3 times in 4 seasons and who's played many times for England can beat a championship team's academy, in a pre-season friendly at home. Who'd have thought it? Hope things work out for Joe Mellor - he was being touted by some as the next Sam Tomkins when he was at Wigan.
As for the crowd - if it's the wrong total, it will be because they didn't add up properly, not because someone deliberately lied about it. Happened several times at several clubs last season - I remember a game at Barrow where they forgot to add the season tickets onto the published crowd figures.
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| this is very embarrassing for the code
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| Quote ="JonM"So a team containing a guy who was SL top scorer 3 times in 4 seasons and who's played many times for England can beat a championship team's academy, in a pre-season friendly at home. Who'd have thought it? Hope things work out for Joe Mellor - he was being touted by some as the next Sam Tomkins when he was at Wigan.
=#FF0000As for the crowd - if it's the wrong total, it will be because they didn't add up properly, not because someone deliberately lied about it. Happened several times at several clubs last season - I remember a game at Barrow where they forgot to add the season tickets onto the published crowd figures.'"
So the clubs safety officer didnt know how many fans were is the ground , if that is the case somebody would get sacked
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the clubs safety officer didnt know how many fans were is the ground , if that is the case somebody would get sacked'"
I think this is one of those cases where cock-up is hugely more likely than conspiracy.
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