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| Quote ="Wire Bury Bob"That article says everything that LF says reguarly. Average player. (Best of a team that didn't make the finals has to be a definition of average). Ellis himself talks about how much better the players are over there and how much he has learnt since being there. Isn't that what LF says about Ellis?'"
Wests missed out the playoffs by a single point.
Average player? You should have watched more NRL this year.
Third best second rower in the Dally M awards.
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| Quote ="eddiewaringsflatcap"You do know Einstein was a dyslexic.
Always knew Ellis was a genius that the over blown chumps like Benji marshall could ever aspire to be...'"
So were Whoopi Goldberg, Richard Branson and the Fonz.
And just like Mr Ellis none of them are known for their abilities to play footy either.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"He was a far better player than Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah.
No...really!
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So why didnt they win player of the year olol
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| Quote ="Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint"So why didnt they win player of the year olol
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See page one of this thread.
I admire Tim Sheens for doing what he did, he is clearly a superb man manager and I take my hat off to him.
Sometimes encouraging the poorer players in your side can help them a bit
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| ellis form in his first year has been brilliant
his attacking game is developing with the tigers now using him as a wide runner with an offload.
could well be rated better than morley by the time he leaves.
certainly better than Moz in their first years.
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| Quote ="Wire Bury Bob"That article says everything that LF says reguarly. Average player. (Best of a team that didn't make the finals has to be a definition of average). Ellis himself talks about how much better the players are over there and how much he has learnt since being there. Isn't that what LF says about Ellis?'"
had the tigers made the finals (just missed out) their form was as good as the GF parramatta.
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| i hope lang can improve burgess as well as sheens brought on ellis.
if only we had some backs the nrl could improve!
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| I think it was nice to give the token pom an award of some kind.
I mean, he isn't gutless like most of them is he? He's having a dig!
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"I think it was nice to give the token pom an award of some kind.
I mean, he isn't gutless like most of them is he? He's having a dig!'"
i agree, what we need now is more to have a dig. burgess will be a sensation imo.
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| I think he'll go ok, he'll be WAY over hyped, but he'll grow into the huge wraps he'll get no matter how bad he is.
Keep in mind, there are a lot of people here desperate to find some talent still in England. Peter Sterling splatters the TV screen every time he see's a Pom playing!
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"I think it was nice to give the token pom an award of some kind.
I mean, he isn't gutless like most of them is he? He's having a dig!'"
yeah bit like how they gave the Dally M prop of the year to moz
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| Quote ="Sheldon"i agree, what we need now is more to have a dig. burgess will be a sensation imo.'"
As I have said on other posts, the NRL has a DUTY to try and help the game flourish in developing nations.
If the NRL sees fit to give runs out to Poms then if it helps the game, I'm all for it.
I would sooner see more PNG players than Poms in the NRL though. The likes of Ellis have proven that the skill levels of English players in SL is even worse than we feared
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| There's plenty who could make it, now the 'benefits' of playing in the UK have been removed I reckon you'll see a fair few more going over there in the next couple of years.
What concerns me more is the rumours of Kyle Eastmond going to union. You aussies might have ready made replacement, but we cant have our best prospects being cherrypicked like that.
At least if they go to aus we're going to be represented by a much better player at international level
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| Quote ="Dico"There's plenty who could make it, now the 'benefits' of playing in the UK have been removed I reckon you'll see a fair few more going over there in the next couple of years.
What concerns me more is the rumours of Kyle Eastmond going to union. You aussies might have ready made replacement, but we cant have our best prospects being cherrypicked like that.
At least if they go to aus we're going to be represented by a much better player at international level'"
Ummmmmm
Who is Kyle Eastmond?
I'm serious.
I've never heard of him
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| Quote ="Dico"There's plenty who could make it, now the 'benefits' of playing in the UK have been removed I reckon you'll see a fair few more going over there in the next couple of years.
What concerns me more is the rumours of Kyle Eastmond going to union. You aussies might have ready made replacement, but we cant have our best prospects being cherrypicked like that.
At least if they go to aus we're going to be represented by a much better player at international level'"
there are plenty who could make it but they have to give up money to do so.
most wont, thats why those that do deserve more praise.
it took players like harry bath and ken kearney playing in england to come back to australia to improve the australian game
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| He's burst onto the scene this year mainly in Longs absense, still a teenager, small but built like a brick house. Still rough but he's probably the best halfback talent i've seen in a while.
Imagine Rob Burrow but with dynamite strapped to his backside.
Rumours say he's going to Sale simply because they can offer a shedload more money
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| its a shame sean long or andy farrell never came over here.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"its a shame sean long or andy farrell never came over here.'"
Agreed
Id add to that list, Jamie Peacock & Danny Mcguire (Who I think could still make it in the NRL)
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| Quote ="dally messenger"its a shame sean long or andy farrell never came over here.'"
Long would have been alreet but Farrell would have been phenominal.
You aussies probably wont know this but his son became the youngest ever player to play pro rugby last year..another talent we've lost out on
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"I think he'll go ok, he'll be WAY over hyped, but he'll grow into the huge wraps he'll get no matter how bad he is.
Keep in mind, there are a lot of people here desperate to find some talent still in England. Peter Sterling splatters the TV screen every time he see's a Pom playing!'"
sterling only balances out goulds 'indifference' to english players.
why not admit ellis has done very well? why not acknowledge burgess has took a massive challenge for a big pay cut?
graham would do very well in the nrl and so would a couple of players.
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| Quote ="christopher"Agreed
Id add to that list, Jamie Peacock & Danny Mcguire (Who I think could still make it in the NRL)'"
tigers and souths were after peacock.
id liked to have seen mcguire go a few years ago, when leeds beat the dogs in the WCC. i think hes passed it a bit and become set in his ways.
the dogs wanted to sign him as well after seeing how the played that night
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| Quote ="Dico"Long would have been alreet but Farrell would have been phenominal.
You aussies probably wont know this but his son became the youngest ever player to play pro rugby last year..another talent we've lost out on'"
read about that. who knows he might come back later playing boring union. all SL can do is keep improving and developing more players.
its funny that a sport with so much money as union still needs to sign league players (im talking about england, aussie union has no juniors)
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| Quote ="dally messenger"its a shame sean long or andy farrell never came over here.'"
add sculthorpe to that.
i'd love to see graham go over.
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| Graham will go over I reckon in a few years
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