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| If were dual reg with Bradford why havent they gone there?
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"If were dual reg with Bradford why havent they gone there?'"
Wonder if there's different cap rules for dual reg and loan? I.e. They don't count on the cap if its a season long loan.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"Wonder if there's different cap rules for dual reg and loan? I.e. They don't count on the cap if its a season long loan.'"
Other costs (insurance, salary etc. may also have a bearing)
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| Loaning out a player effectively means they are no longer registered with the club, and so no longer count on the aggregate liability of the cap. As neither is likely to be a top 25 earner, it won't make any difference to our cap limit.
Dual reg players remain registered with their parent club, and their aggregate liability still counts if/when they play their first cap relevant match.
Playing full time for Leigh has got to be better than playing add-hoc dual reg games and reserve games.
And I can't imaging Leigh aren't contributing to their wages.
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| Sensible decisions on both players
Both need gametime and to prove they can perform
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"If were dual reg with Bradford why havent they gone there?'"
It might be that they can only take 1 or 2 players and Radford and kear might have already agreed on them
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| I think that clubs can play a maximum of around 4 loan or dual-registered players in a game.
Kieran Buchanan, Connor Wynne, Charlie Graham and Charlie Patterson-Lund are playing for Bradford today.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"If were dual reg with Bradford why havent they gone there?'"
I think a degree of goodwill was created between Hull and Leigh, when Leigh released Joe Cator to you, without demanding a fee - to which they could have been entitled. Win, win for both clubs, in my opinion.
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| Some funny ideas on the Leigh forum about his ability.
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| I would of thought there would have been a few SL clubs interested in taking Bienek for the season, unless Radford did not want him at another SL club.
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| Quote ="IR80"Some funny ideas on the Leigh forum about his ability.'"
They must have seen the video Craig Harrison put on you tube and used to tout him around anywhere that would listen.
Broncos fans did warn he was not as good as the showcase. I'm more surprised Radders got sucked in but maybe he saw him as a raw project?
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| Quote ="MonkeyLover"They must have seen the video Craig Harrison put on you tube and used to tout him around anywhere that would listen.
Broncos fans did warn he was not as good as the showcase. I'm more surprised Radders got sucked in but maybe he saw him as a raw project?'"
Who knows, I hope he does well, but he has a lot of progress to make.
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| Still young and a year at Leigh could do him the world of good.
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| Bienek for a big lad hasn't shown any grunt but has suffered with a few injuries but Cam Scott will go well at Leigh,talented kid
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| Fair too early to write him off, but that's what we do if they arent world beaters at 22 or so.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Fair too early to write him off, but that's what we do if they arent world beaters at 22 or so.'"
Players like Jack Brown are ahead of him can only keep so many players
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"Players like Jack Brown are ahead of him can only keep so many players'"
Indeed, he is i the shop window at Leigh, better for him than an occasional run out at Bradford.
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| Dawson-Jones on his way to Bradford
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| What can't be doubted with Bienik is his size and power, which sadly others lack.
Fully agree he has disappointed but has been hampered with injuries, I gather the concern is more with his stamina ?
Remember the scrabble for his signature & Phil Clarke hailing him as the next big thing ? Personally can't see him NOT being in the top 25 earners, he appeared a fair bit in the first team two years ago.
Just hope we don't give up on him too soon, sure the coaching staff will share that sentiment & will be doing all in their power to get the best out of him. Still think we are a prop short, if he starts the season well at Leigh then surely he could be recalled ?
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| Quote ="al283"What can't be doubted with Bienik is his size and power, which sadly others lack.
Fully agree he has disappointed but has been hampered with injuries, I gather the concern is more with his stamina ?
Remember the scrabble for his signature & Phil Clarke hailing him as the next big thing ? Personally can't see him NOT being in the top 25 earners, he appeared a fair bit in the first team two years ago.
Just hope we don't give up on him too soon, sure the coaching staff will share that sentiment & will be doing all in their power to get the best out of him. Still think we are a prop short, if he starts the season well at Leigh then surely he could be recalled ?'"
With Bienek I think people forget he is still only 21. Also you need to factor in he isn't a northern lad who has grown up in and around the RL world like others such as Brad Fash & Jack Brown etc. He's also moved away from home at a young age too which will all be a factor in his development plus he has struggled a bit with niggling injuries.
I do think the club feel and believe that he can develop in to a very good player and as al283 said he does possess size and power.
Way too early to write the kid off and think the loan deal at Leigh will be more than beneficial in his development getting regular game time at that level as opposed to reserve team.
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| Quote ="Chris71"With Bienek I think people forget he is still only 21. Also you need to factor in he isn't a northern lad who has grown up in and around the RL world like others such as Brad Fash & Jack Brown etc. He's also moved away from home at a young age too which will all be a factor in his development plus he has struggled a bit with niggling injuries.
I do think the club feel and believe that he can develop in to a very good player and as al283 said he does possess size and power.
Way too early to write the kid off and think the loan deal at Leigh will be more than beneficial in his development getting regular game time at that level as opposed to reserve team.'"
Lets hope his on field performances determine that he gets regular gametime.
The advantage for him this time is that he has a young teammate with him who will also be looking to get regular game time so they should be able to push each other.
Hope it works out for both of them but they both have to realise that they are a minimum of two years away from realistically making a Hull fc first team squad
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| Quote ="al283"What can't be doubted with Bienik is his size and power, which sadly others lack.
Fully agree he has disappointed but has been hampered with injuries, I gather the concern is more with his stamina ?
Remember the scrabble for his signature & Phil Clarke hailing him as the next big thing ? Personally can't see him NOT being in the top 25 earners, he appeared a fair bit in the first team two years ago.
Just hope we don't give up on him too soon, sure the coaching staff will share that sentiment & will be doing all in their power to get the best out of him. Still think we are a prop short, if he starts the season well at Leigh then surely he could be recalled ?'"
Just seen Bienek is injured once again so he cant play in the Leigh/Wigan pre season game tonight
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| Doooh !!!
Can't believe some think Brown ahead of Bienek, sure he has good hands and looks a prospect - but again he is small.
Many young players show up well when first appearing, but guess what 4 or 5 games in, the rest of SL has had a look and decided the honeymoon is over and you're going to be tested. That is when many plateau, often before disappearing - a pattern that is repeated throughout the game, lets face it being a SL forward playing 50+ minutes every week requires incredible fitness, strength, stamina & huge chunks of determination. We shouldn't be surprised how difficult it is to truly 'make the grade' for these young guys.
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| Quote ="al283"Doooh !!!
Can't believe some think Brown ahead of Bienek, sure he has good hands and looks a prospect - but again he is small.
Many young players show up well when first appearing, but guess what 4 or 5 games in, the rest of SL has had a look and decided the honeymoon is over and you're going to be tested. That is when many plateau, often before disappearing - a pattern that is repeated throughout the game, lets face it being a SL forward playing 50+ minutes every week requires incredible fitness, strength, stamina & huge chunks of determination. We shouldn't be surprised how difficult it is to truly 'make the grade' for these young guys.'"
Dont know what to make of Bienek other than he seems injury prone.
He was in and out of the team when at Batley and never stood out when he did play which was usually off the bench.
Hope he makes it but have my doubts
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