Except the RFL haven't abused their position.

If the RFL are seen to ignore criteria it can be said they broke the contract signed. So IF it went to court that's what the argument would be, that the contract between clubs & RFL was broken!

give me a break. the idea that the even the rational anti-rflers will suddenly go fair enough guv if the rfl come out and say expansion is our game, special provisions apply is laughable. i understand that is an added point of contention that the agenda is denied but i've seen just as many demands that it is 'fair' if the same rules apply to hundred year old clubs as 5 year old clubs.

Ok so setting out a process for reviewing franchise applications and saying the best 14 will get a license whilst at the same time promising one club will come up and effectively guaranteeing that London and Crusaders will get a further franchise is not abusing their position!!!

No wonder they can get away with whatever they want with people like you around.

well they better get a move on becuase as soon as they can work it out the guiness prem will be ring fenced and the magners already is. Try telling the club union sides in wales that union is the better option, at least the theoretical possibility of getting to the top division still exists for superleague.

In terms of players that took the field? More than ten games say? Any side can add say 10 academy lads to first team squad but some still nowhere near playing. As for SW they are doing a great job so far you won't hear moans about that from anywhere.

But if Crusaders are a SL franchise they have to be judges as one equall to the rest surely? If they were said to be ready in 2008 why not in 2011? That's the only point I'm making here.

Something voted for by the SL clubs, along with keeping the SL at 14. Remember, there are two bodies responsible for deciding the size and entry method for SL, the RFL and SLE (ie the clubs



They have? When was this then? (provide evidence in terms of quotes or documents from RL officials)



Yes. It's not. Well spotted.

1) they're the governing body
2) Everything they've done has been in conjunction with and the agreement of the clubs
3) Your primary accusations are based on misunderstanding or myth and exist solely within your own mind.

god help the scorpions when they show thier ambitions or do people think their plan is to stay in the championship divisions forever?

=#FF0000Ok whatever you say. People said the RFL had not put any money into Crusaders and then we find out the stumbling block on them coming out of admin is an agreement re the GBP 700k they owe the RFL!!! I think its you who is deluded

Why would David Hughes and the new owners at Wrexham waste more money on their respective clubs if after next year they were not in SL? Ralph Rimmer has also made comments that allude to the fact we need London and Crusdaers.

No they wouldn't , I havent suggested they would , they would winge , moan , complain , send letters to the press , but at least we would all know where we stood , this is the deal , these are the reasons , it is our decision to make , we have made it , end of , it is for the greater good of the sport as a whole

Then we could all get on with watching and supporting our clubs or not , as would be our choice

What is the point of licence applications if they've already decided one club will come up and one will go down? What's to say that every SL application won't be better than every championship one? If that's the case the RFL will actually be promoting a club who's application isn't as good as the club they will replace.

Is not the point of licence applications to identify the best 14 clubs? Surely by openly admitting they will be disregarding applications because they fancy a change they [iare[/i abusing their position and [inot[/i sticking to the agreement of the clubs?

the thought of the scorpions behaving in the same manner as celtic/wrexham is a very scary thought indeed.

Tricky I'm afraid you will have to provide solid proof on here, press reports are no good. I suggest you get an interview with Mr Wood and record it.

thats your definition of ambition? i think the 'i believe in expansion but...' mob will pat the scorps on the head when doing alright but find plenty of reasons to moan however their ambitions manifest themselves. ffs there was a letter in the LE hoping that no more welsh clubs turn up because 'it's a long drive'!

And still no submission from the court of Judge tb to back up this assertion ...



Let me spell it out for you:

To the best of my knowledge, not all employees were left without jobs.
To the best of my knowledge, the details of which previous debts were paid or unpaid are not a matter of public record.

So where is the evidence o pedantic one?

I agree janner.
But to the Scorps' credit thus far there is absolutely zero anyone could moan at thus far, lets hope it stays that way.

The RFL just need to turn round and say the Crusaders are here to stay. period.
And leave Quins out of it, they'd get a license regardless. Great stadium, most British SL team and expansion with a rich backer. Crowds are an issue yes we know but everything else is there

If they get promoted to Championship and then get to SL based fairly by meeting the same criteria laid, or as good as anyone else there would be no moans!

i think your wrong.
i think if the scorps win promotion to the CC league they will be applauded.
i think if the scorps then go on and win the NR cup or get to the GF,and do it all under there own steam like all other clubs,they will be applauded.
if the $hit that surrounds celtic/wrexham transfers to the scorpions,then the same response will happen again.
why should clubs and supporters just sit back and take it?

I agree. And as I've said elsewhere, I think the RFL have made a rod for their own back by promising that one club will be promoted from the Championship, regardless. And I don't expect that to be repeated.

However: no current SL club denied a licence because of that will have any grounds to complain - and certainly no grounds to seek a judicial review - because SLE (ie all the clubs at a meeting) agreed to that and agreed, in full knowlege of the promise that a Championship would definitely be promoted, regardless, to keep the SL size at 14 and run the risk of being outside SL rather than share the SL TV money among a larger group.

I'm not aware of the breakdown of those votes being published anywhere, and I'd be interested (to put it mildly) to see how clubs like Cas, Wakey, Salford, Crusaders etc voted individually. But it doesn't alter the fact that the clubs, collectively, voted for it.

That's a valid point. If I was in their position there's no way I'd be interested in carrying on if I was only guaranteed one season in SL.

Same applies to anyone else putting money into an SL club, whether that's Ian Leneghan at Wigan or Jack Fulton and co at Cas.

Maybe they have faith in the strength of their licence case?

your determined to keep your head in the sand arnt you

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Would you be interested in putting money into a club that wasn't in SL and was unlikely ever to get the chance to get into SL ?

Good innit

Same applies to anyone putting money into a non SL club , no chance