you don't half talk some mining was a good honest living at the time which kept families warm giving them electric to serve the nation at cost of lives,
you care not to mention of the Bradford mill past dealings with the slave trade do you, Bradford is a dump the only good thing is the moors and don't come back telling I no nothing of Bradford as my family came from Bradford so for all yer ilkley ba tat I've seen enough of your flat caps and xenophobia to last me a life time

Fast forward 60 years and the bulls will be in the same boat having not won anything

Well in 1996 we got q few quid from the BBC for a semi-pro comp, and our top division played to an average of around 6.000.

Now we get £200,000,000 from SKY and average 8,500.

Vastly improved in modern times.

You should have been around 1970 the game was dying then until BARLA came along. perhaps you just haven't done enough research here?

So we allow the mediocre to hold back the aspiring clubs, who actually want to invest in names that will bring in spectators, such as Wire signing Inglis, which are the type of signings which then get young kids interested in the game again?

So in 50 years wherein a revolution has taken place in sports marketing and TV exposure this is the evidence the game isn't struggling to find significant investment in ownership and sponsorship, and the next TV deal is reported to be a reduction?

That's reassuring.

Everybody! This is what I mean.

I take your point, and the Marquee signing allowance took your point into a reality, with Inglis, SBW and Folau now in Superleague.

Not sure I take your point as far as these top players getting a significant number of EXTRA kids interested across the board? If half of Superleague are easybeats then I can see kids not being bothered with the game in places like Wakey, Cas, Fartown etc......

Difficult one. Maybe we have the balance right as it stands?? ,

Possibly. But if clubs like those you name bring little to the game, then it's surely upto them to up their game or move aside and allow others to get a shot?

Personally, as a child growing up in the 70's and 80's, I was always more attracted to games involving the big 'star' names, such as Hull's kiwi contingent or when Brett Kenny or Mal Meninga came to town - I certainly remember when Wire signed Boyd/Tamati/Blake in the mid 80's, there was a huge buzz within the kids at school and can recall plenty of kids making their first visit to watch Wire at that time... Surely, the same scenario fits now, and in any era?

Yes Toronto and Catalans they don’t have development one has TV money one wants it so at least 2/12 in Superleague rely on on other clubs to do it for them ... and then offer more money to lure them and get in the sh*t...

Go on then, prove it.

Since SL was "created" by Uncle Mo, the following clubs have had new grounds:

Wigan
Saints
Wire
Hull FC
Catalan (not in the comp at the start)
Salford
Huddersfield (excellent ground, if a little too big for the RL club) - technically it was open pre SL
Hull KR (improved)
Leeds (improved
Cas (same old)
Trinity (same old plus Benidorm Flats & a couple of covered areas)

Can you tell me how many of these clubs have improved their attendances since the move to their new facilities and what effect these facilities have had on the TV deal -as a clue, the answer to the second part of the question is beggar all.

Dont get me wrong, I go to probably 10/11 away games every season (well used to when crowds were permitted) and I would much prefer going to modern stadia, I'm not arguing that point.
Where I take issue is the absolute bilge that gets thrown out, by people like yourself but, more so the Bulls fan, that suggested the lack of new facilities at Wakefield is "holding the game back", it's bloody nonsense.
The only thing that the ageing facilities are holding back at Wakefield is Wakefield Trinity (ditto Cas)

Increases in attendances tend to come with on field success not because of some plastic seating.
FWIW, I would always stand rather than sit (in a tight plastic seat) if there was an option - Wire is great for this reason - not having to constantly stand up and let people to/from the bar and to/from the toilets.

I'm not defending Trinity's ground, it desperately needs work and a lot of it.

The only person talking about the stadium is you. I suppose it adds to the sense of decrepitude but the much more significant issue is the lack of contribution to the actual competition over many decades. By competition I don't just mean the league and its structure but the competitiveness of the said competition.

We must decide the proposition, its features and benefits. Then sell it to our broadcast partners, well thats what a real management team would do. We have a great opportunity but lack the skills to capitalise

Who else do you believe should "get a shot"?

According to Tony Smith, Toronto are on the verge if being readmitted in 2021 and is one if the reasons Neil Hudgell is finally stepping down as he is disillusioned by the governing body and the decision making.

it wouldn't surprise me and there's some blaming covid 19

Re-admitted to which league? SL, Championship or Championship One? Which governing body? The RFL or Superleague? They have no participation agreement for SL. They appear to be down to 13 players now? Which Tony Smith??

Quote ="snowie"it wouldn't surprise me '" Does this surprise you good sir? https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lub-buyout Hudge has been wanting out for years.

Quote ="snowie"it wouldn't surprise me '" Does this surprise you good sir? https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lub-buyout Hudge has been wanting out for years.

Excellent post. Bang on.

He's been against Toronto the whole way.

Sounds like he is throwing his toys out of his pram temper tantrum style cause he's not getting what he wants.

Well I would be for any real club getting a shot at bringing in big stars. I'd like to see Newcastle in and Mr. Kurdii signing some marquee players. I'd like to see a Hull merger and a return to the days such as Peter Sterling graced the town. I don't disagree with the principle of what you say at all. I just see some problems due to the way SL is structured with clubs requiring rich owners to succeed. If every club had a properly rich owner bring it on......

But my fear remains semi rich owners walking away if they have to fund Cannon fodder clubs - like Neil Hudgell.....

16 years is a pretty slow walk. But ultimately it was a loss making enterprise which hed invested in like majority of RL club. I do agree with some of your points but never the merger and Newacastle area did have a high spending franchise till plundered by the Pogs.Seems we will be welcoming backn Toronto shortly so there you go. The future is Transatlantic once more. If we do slip back out of SL it may be no bad thing.

Yeah with an investor but only if they get their ‘fair share’ of the TV money..

So TV money = Toronto No TV money = No Toronto

They need the TV money just to pay Sonny Bill what a sad set of affairs the RFL have created..

what if sky insist they get a cut in the next deal? it does sound to me that sky want Toronto in SL more than the SL clubs itself.....wont hold my breath waiting for bt sport or amazon to come knocking either too!

SKY want subscriptions for the Superleague games they show. They get these subs from English fans not from Canadians. SKY won't hold Superleague back if they want to develop and expand the sport. but they put a minimum nine English club requirement on this as Adam Pearson said......

Catalans have one of the three possible overseas spots. That means there is no room for any more than two North American clubs in SL. Perez stated North American TV companies would only back a Superleague if there were at least five North American clubs in it.

So the bottom line is TWP, Ottawa and New York create zero value to the SKY TV deal. That they may demand a cut of said deal is ridiculous, that SKY may give them that is equally ridiculous.

What about the clubs that gave a guarantee they would get a new stadium, that SL fell for?

No guarantees were actually given, unless you can provide some archive evidence?

Castleford.v.Wakefield 9,300
Wakefield.v.Castleford 6,200
Toronto Wolfpack - kaput