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| Quote ="PHIPPS"I heard the RU were going to do a raid on the Stoop and strip Quins RL of all their best players.
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| Quote ="aspouea"The same reason they ain't around the M62. We're told this is the heartland of the sport. Therefore surely there are more kids playing across that vast expanse of the country than would fill the 11 SL stadia - and yet you still get empty seats at all of them!
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I'm actually a defender of London RL, but the 'Thousand's of Players' excuse can't be backed up, and for your information, I used to (and still do) play RL at an Amatuer Level, I see hundred of girls and boys that used to play RL with me. The Giants turned up at my Gaelic Football session to advertise, I saw all of the 25 people at the club there. But really, why don't we give free tickets to those thousands who play RL? |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Alas, some take it too seriously....it's akin to the 70's football hooligans ploughhing into each other the way JB, dally et all plough into anyone who dares comment on anything to do with league in a negative light, or commits the cardinal sin of actually saying anything positive about Union. Jesus, if you even use the letters A-F-L- in the same sentence they try to have you burned at the stake.
Back on thread>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
London RL has failed to attract fans and therefore sponsors and revenue to the game at its highest level. The reasons for this are many, as are the excuses that get rolled out on a regular basis, but the bottom line is:
The RFL, whilst keen to keep a London Team in the league have contributed nothing to the development of the game in the South East. The community coaches, school visits, club assistance etc has purely come from the coffers of the London RL Franchise. These people have a massive area to cover and I believe that 2011 is the first year that any financial assistance has been offered by the RFL to "spread the game".
The RFL, whilst responsible for the marketing and promotion of the game, have actually only ever become involved in the marketing of 1 game at the stoop, prior to 2011. This was the WCC Warm up game v Manly and you can take it from me, whilst they made a profit from it, they learnt exactly how hard it is to get the media involved...even if you are paying them. TNT Magazine made more money from this game than anyone else..........that is the magnitude of the issues faced in the south east.
2011 is the year that the RFL are getting involved.......[uwhen they should have been doing so since 1996[/u.
This month, the RFL and the evening Standard, in conjunction with the club have offered 2,500 free pairs of tickets to the Castleford game. I suspect, 1,000 or maybe 1,200 of these pairs will have been taken up. If any so called heartland team repeated this offer in their local paper, I suspect the 2,500 would be gone in 1 hr. The reason Quins will undersubscribe? It has nothing to do with League....it has more to do with what else is available in entertainment in London on Friday night, the recession (costs to get there, drinks etc) and the fact that only 15% of the standards readership will live within 5 miles of the ground.
I don't know if London RL will remain at the stoop or if it will ever get the investment, either from the RFL/SKY/Private sources to ever attract 10,000 gates that it needs to be self sufficient, but I do know (well, I am 90% sure) that without London RL in Superleague, the game becomes less attractive to advertisers......because like it or not, the Capital City is always key when they are putting their budgets together......and the people they pay for advertising are the same ones that pay the other clubs 12 million each a year, without which, your Willie Masons, Michael Maguires and other "overseas" stars would be off the menu and with the exception of 3 or 4 clubs, the rest would go back to being part time.......as a result, Union would strip the best players and RL in the UK would be worse off than it was in 1993 within 5 years.....IMO that is.'"
The RFL HAVE been involved since 1996 my friend, they've been helping the Experiment every year with oodles and oodles of cash (much more then the Clubs in SL). 
IMO the RFL should just admit defeat - no matter how many millions of schoolkids play RL down there it's just never going to equate to increased crowds.  Like many have said before GF (we, me ) we all had to play different sports at school but that didn't lead to us following these sports by going to games, this is the problem for Fulcrubronquins.
Also have to say that I've always disagreed with Experiment getting high profile games like the Manly match, after doing nothing to justify having such an honour, whereas clubs that contribute to SL miss out on the opportunity to host a world-class side like this, very unfair IMO.  |
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| Quote ="Roofs"The RFL HAVE been involved since 1996 my friend, they've been helping the Experiment every year with oodles and oodles of cash (much more then the Clubs in SL).
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Rugby league in London, La La La. Rugby League in London La La La!
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Well said Lewis
As many people call for pro RL to be withdrawn from London, he is talking about two London clubs so there's derby matches and rivalry |
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As many people call for pro RL to be withdrawn from London, he is talking about two London clubs so there's derby matches and rivalry | |
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And less Yorkshire teams-Wakey first then one other 3 years later- seems like a good plan.
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"I heard the RU were going to do a raid on the Stoop and strip Quins RL of all their best players.
But they haven't got any.'"
Haven't got any players at all, or any 'best players'? If we have any players at all (which we do. Unlike those who claim we are being bankrolled by the RFL I can actually produce evidence!), then some of these must, by definition, be our best players even if they are not as good as others at any clubs. Thus making a mockery of your post and rendering the whole thing pointless.
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| Quote ="east stander"And less Yorkshire teams-Wakey first then one other 3 years later- seems like a good plan.'"
Well they can join us in the ' Worth winning in it's own right ' Championships  |
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Rewind..............................
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Friday nights in London are a VERY hard sell.
I'm a STH holder at Quins and love league, but still find it very difficult to get to games on Friday after work.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Rewind..............................
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| Quote ="hindyscrack"Friday nights in London are a VERY hard sell.
I'm a STH holder at Quins and love league, but still find it very difficult to get to games on Friday after work.'"
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Dick by name and...............'"
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Still not having it. Keighley struggled to get more than 5000 at home, never mind 2000 away.'"
keighley's ground held 4,400 when we played them many moons ago in challenge cup so 5,000 would be a bit of a push! |
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| Quote ="MUTLEYS BUTLER"Sir is surprised after the massive success of saturday and suday fixtures'"
Fair call, but our Friday night figures have been even worse!
Just noting the tough market that london is to crack. Heck there is even only one RU team in 'london' these days. |
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Clearly to put the "super" back into SL we need more London clubs! This is a nice stitch up piece to ease the farce of the RFL explaining why a club avg'ing less than 2500 fans is in fact a strong club and worthy of a license.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Clearly to put the "super" back into SL we need more London clubs! This is a nice stitch up piece to ease the farce of the RFL explaining why a club avg'ing less than 2500 fans is in fact a strong club and worthy of a license.'"
Because fan base is important, but isn't everything: [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/england-youth-to-face-franceHere[/url is evidence of the strength of Quins as a club.
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| Quote ="tb"Because fan base is important'"
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| Quote ="Roofs"The RFL HAVE been involved since 1996 my friend, they've been helping the Experiment every year with oodles and oodles of cash (much more then the Clubs in SL).
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| Quote ="littlerich"Rewind..............................
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And I thought it was just me who remembered that...... 
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(to save you reading, England youth (ie U16) squad to face France: 3 Harequins RL players, 1 Hull KR player
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Well done Quins with the Junior Development.
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| Quote ="kobashi"
For the game to achieve more national media coverage would it be fair to say that this would only ever happen if a London Team became more popular and successful.'"
Nope....though it wouldn't hurt.
London being in ESL is about SKY TV and in turn, SKY TV's advertising revenue. There are not many NATIONAL advertisers who will pay GOOD money to advertise during a game that doesn't have a presence in the CAPITAL CITY. I have no doubt that London being in ESL makes not one jot of difference to viewing figures in the South East.......but it's what the advertiser wants that is important. |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Nope....though it wouldn't hurt.
London being in ESL is about SKY TV and in turn, SKY TV's advertising revenue. There are not many NATIONAL advertisers who will pay GOOD money to advertise during a game that doesn't have a presence in the CAPITAL CITY. I have no doubt that London being in ESL makes not one jot of difference to viewing figures in the South East.......but it's what the advertiser wants that is important.'"
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