[quote="Listenup94":1xsvv2bv]Apologies, I did .I dont need to bullet point every statement you made , I'll be candid , I sped read it , you hoddie , and the majority of that forum are anti rugby , which is why you refer to us in the negative way you do . I've been on and off the shaymen forum for years and the message is and always will be squatters out. Might come to bite you in the booty that saying.[/quote:1xsvv2bv] Hey, it's no skin off my nose if our proposal has no legs. I'm a volunteer trying to do something positive as opposed to the risk of the council selling it to someone who may not necessarily have the best interests of our clubs as priority. What I would say is that I've been a vociferous critic of the football club owner over his ownership of the football club. And similarly over the years with those running fax. They are two separate entities...owners and clubs. At least I'm consistent, regardless of which club it is which should count for something. I want two successful club in a stable and thriving setting, and that's what this boils down to for me. You have an agenda. The working group has been nothing but positive and ambitious in relation to the two clubs. There is no agenda other than wanting what's best for both clubs so they can focus on on field matters. But I'll leave it there. Some people won't be won over...some people don't want to be won over. I'm fully committed to what we want to achieve, and as a group it's nothing but the best intentions. But I certainly won't be concerned about people chucking mud.

[quote="Bubba":1j6hdns3]Hey, it's no skin off my nose if our proposal has no legs. I'm a volunteer trying to do something positive as opposed to the risk of the council selling it to someone who may not necessarily have the best interests of our clubs as priority. What I would say is that I've been a vociferous critic of the football club owner over his ownership of the football club. And similarly over the years with those running fax. They are two separate entities...owners and clubs. At least I'm consistent, regardless of which club it is which should count for something. I want two successful club in a stable and thriving setting, and that's what this boils down to for me. You have an agenda. The working group has been nothing but positive and ambitious in relation to the two clubs. There is no agenda other than wanting what's best for both clubs so they can focus on on field matters. But I'll leave it there. Some people won't be won over...some people don't want to be won over. I'm fully committed to what we want to achieve, and as a group it's nothing but the best intentions. But I certainly won't be concerned about people chucking mud.[/quote:1j6hdns3] Whats the agenda? I'm not chucking mud im pointing out that the members of the working group have been chucking mud at the rugby club on a public forum for years and therefore should remove themselves from the group. Its pretty simple really.

[quote="Listenup94":3nth5z3m]Whats the agenda? I'm not chucking mud im pointing out that the members of the working group have been chucking mud at the rugby club on a public forum for years and therefore should remove themselves from the group. Its pretty simple really.[/quote:3nth5z3m] Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. Maybe you should get involved with our group...serious offer. I've no idea who you are...what your experience is...but sometimes having your worst critics involved is actually a positive step for the wider goal. More than happy to meet for a pint if you want to raise your head above the parapet. And again, I'm being genuine.

[quote="Bubba":209fbljs]Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. Maybe you should get involved with our group...serious offer. I've no idea who you are...what your experience is...but sometimes having your worst critics involved is actually a positive step for the wider goal. More than happy to meet for a pint if you want to raise your head above the parapet. And again, I'm being genuine.[/quote:209fbljs] Shame that offer wasn't a few years ago, think I read you drink in the rose n crown , used to drink in the star down the road when I lived in lindwell.

[quote="Bubba":2tlax9p4]Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. [/quote:2tlax9p4] I agree with a lot that you have said previously but I totally disagree with this. Hoddie most definatley is anti-rugby and anti-Fax. He should be nowhere near any working group that has the interests of both teams at its heart.

[quote="Listenup94":pik5dg5h]Shame that offer wasn't a few years ago, think I read you drink in the rose n crown , used to drink in the star down the road when I lived in lindwell.[/quote:pik5dg5h] I drank in there from around 1996 to now, so I must know you.

[quote="Bubba":11skwa3x]I drank in there from around 1996 to now, so I must know you.[/quote:11skwa3x] Only lived there 2014 to 2019 , are you from elland /west vale ?

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":33txeo26]I agree with a lot that you have said previously but I totally disagree with this. Hoddie most definatley is anti-rugby and anti-Fax. He should be nowhere near any working group that has the interests of both teams at its heart.[/quote:33txeo26] He's not. You don't know him. You just don't like how he asks you to provide fact rather than bluster

[quote="Listenup94":15jl2nta]Only lived there 2014 to 2019 , are you from elland /west vale ?[/quote:15jl2nta] 5mins walk from the star all my life (in various houses)

[quote="Bubba":qdds68tm]He's not. You don't know him. You just don't like how he asks you to provide fact rather than bluster [/quote:qdds68tm] To quote him - "I wake up every day and hope to read the news about Fax going to the wall. I doubt there'd even be enough interest to phoenix it. Squatters out." There are a hell of a lot of posts on that forum that are very similar by him. I do find it funny when he is provided with an option that backs up everything that I have said and suddenly he moves the goal posts. Says a lot about him as a person and again from a fax point of view, he should be nowhere near anything that is working for the best interests of both clubs. He could ruin something that has the potentital to be a good idea as no Fax fan is going to support it when they know what he has been saying about our club.

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":xnb9a506]To quote him - "I wake up every day and hope to read the news about Fax going to the wall. I doubt there'd even be enough interest to phoenix it. Squatters out." There are a hell of a lot of posts on that forum that are very similar by him. I do find it funny when he is provided with an option that backs up everything that I have said and suddenly he moves the goal posts. Says a lot about him as a person and again from a fax point of view, he should be nowhere near anything that is working for the best interests of both clubs. He could ruin something that has the potentital to be a good idea as no Fax fan is going to support it when they know what he has been saying about our club.[/quote:xnb9a506] On the flip side, is he worse for the future of the stadium or either club than any director who has led, for example fax into the current financial predicament they find themselves in?

Hoddie literally runs a town forum where a large percentage is slagging the rugby club off , in john mcenroes words ' you cannot be serious '

I don't know either Bubba or Hoddie. What i will say is i believe Bubba is genuine in what he says. Hoddie however is absolutely full of hatred for Fax and should be nowhere near a group trying to find the best outcome for both sporting clubs using The Shay.

[quote="Bubba":3skud1jo]On the flip side, is he worse for the future of the stadium or either club than any director who has led, for example fax into the current financial predicament they find themselves in?[/quote:3skud1jo] He has the potential to be as bad for our club. I wonder what the Town fans would be saying if there was someone that was part of the group and for the last decade or so had talked about how they want Town out of the stadium or to go bust again? I think we know the answer to this.

I see good will to all men didn’t last long.

But they'll put all of their energy in to whining on an internet forum, potentially getting an outcome they're not happy with, and then throwing their hands in the air at the injustice of it all when really they've done nothing actionable to try and alleviate their concerns. Hats off though to any supporter that supports their local team and puts the effort in to actually go and watch them, rather a team where the most effort they have to put in is turn the telly on. I would hope the love for their club is the over-riding factor in this, as is ours. I would argue there is more wrong with football that needs addressing rather directing their ire at us.

[quote="Listenup94":3mh2pwfa]Hoddie literally runs a town forum where a large percentage is slagging the rugby club off , in john mcenroes words ' you cannot be serious '[/quote:3mh2pwfa] So you want free speech to be limited on the forum to something you agree with?

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":2amqtnao]He has the potential to be as bad for our club. I wonder what the Town fans would be saying if there was someone that was part of the group and for the last decade or so had talked about how they want Town out of the stadium or to go bust again? I think we know the answer to this.[/quote:2amqtnao] He's one voice. Don't be so paranoid

[quote="Bubba":1jpgf56z]So you want free speech to be limited on the forum to something you agree with?[/quote:1jpgf56z] Ironically there is no free speech on there as I've been banned 7 times . He can crack on with his forum but should be nowhere near anything to do with the running of the shay.

[quote="Listenup94":w29wvlv5]Ironically there is no free speech on there as I've been banned 7 times . He can crack on with his forum but should be nowhere near anything to do with the running of the shay.[/quote:w29wvlv5] That's incorrect. Gfn1 is still there,albeit under a different name. You've only been banned if you're being a dick or trolling. If you're making a fair argument, you wouldn't have been banned. This forum used to be the worst for banning.. Hoddie was banned...which i think probably led to his low tolerance of RL trollls

[quote="Bubba":3d6ununp]That's incorrect. Gfn1 is still there,albeit under a different name. You've only been banned if you're being a dick or trolling. If you're making a fair argument, you wouldn't have been banned. This forum used to be the worst for banning.. Hoddie was banned...which i think probably led to his low tolerance of RL trollls[/quote:3d6ununp] So my last ban was because I suggested back in June that fax were in dialogue with the Council regarding taking on the shay , and possible investment from the fraine bros and possibly others, to which flea said i was thick as mince , based on the warnings I had from hoddie regarding aggressive language I asked him to apply the same rules with him , his response was that certain loyal individuals were given special dispensation , so I replied no problem I will sort it out outside of the forum, then I was banned. Seems like the kind of fair impartial person we want involved in the running of the shay.

[quote="Listenup94":nwbxflho]So my last ban was because I suggested back in June that fax were in dialogue with the Council regarding taking on the shay , and possible investment from the fraine bros and possibly others, to which flea said i was thick as mince , based on the warnings I had from hoddie regarding aggressive language I asked him to apply the same rules with him , his response was that certain loyal individuals were given special dispensation , so I replied no problem I will sort it out outside of the forum, then I was banned. Seems like the kind of fair impartial person we want involved in the running of the shay.[/quote:nwbxflho] I'm guessing the fact you said you would sort it outside of the forum it was treated as a threat, which isn't tolerated.

[quote="Bubba":3tygzrzc]I'm guessing the fact you said you would sort it outside of the forum it was treated as a threat, which isn't tolerated.[/quote:3tygzrzc] A threat of what , what do you think I'm gonna do drive to Tesco and beat him up . I'm a strong believer in accountability. Hoddie should have warned flea for being abusive . That's his job .

[quote="Bubba":1eqehxex]He's one voice. Don't be so paranoid[/quote:1eqehxex] There is no being paranoid. Yes he is one voice but it is a voice of hatred towards Fax and when he has influence over a lot of members on that forum who seem incapable of thinking for themselves then it becomes a problem. I do have a feeling what you are saying and what you think about the situation are two totally different things. Again would you allow someone on your group who had expressed a hatred of all things Town going back nearly a decade?

With another football game being postponed ( before Fax have been anywhere near it ) with the backlog of games and the rugby season getting ever closer I can see the issues with the weather and pitch coming to the fore. In view of recent posts it will be enlightening to see if and how much blame and abuse will be levelled at the rugby club again.