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| Quote ="cravenpark1"got agree i know it was a few years ago i went to oz but moast of the playses we went to to watch rugby league were not up to standard and we have a relative their and he says not all of the have got better in fact he said most are dumps'"
This hurts my head, any possibility you could re-type this using the English language?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"No I've not been to all grounds, care to suggest which you disagree with Sheldon?
For me the basics of a avg ground would be, mainly covered seats, 20k+ capacity, no hills (except nq where it is nice enough weather) 4 sides and decent food facilities. I've actually been generous with some, personally having been to Canberra I consider it a dog of a ground for the weather they get. Auckland is another ground that could easily be classed as poor but is saved by that massive decent stand. Nq is a grass hill and temp scaffolding stands mostly, generally I've been generous!
NRL and SL are different sized comps, different $ value therefore different expectations of facilities, especially capacity needs.'"
So essentially as the criteria were different, you weren't really making any meaningful comparison between the NRL and ESL for grounds...
We suffer quite badly on this criteria tbh, though we're improving (finally).
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| Quote ="Towns88"the playing surfaces are Cas & Wakey are quality. Albeit the actual grounds aint paradise.'"
Cas QUALITY !!!!
A pitch that is too short and uneven is quality
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| Quote ="Bovrick"So essentially as the criteria were different, you weren't really making any meaningful comparison between the NRL and ESL for grounds...
We suffer quite badly on this criteria tbh, though we're improving (finally).'"
Not at all, it's about being fit for purpose. An NRL player was slating the condition of SL grounds, I am merely pointing out the there are plenty of grounds in the NRL that are hardly state of the art.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"brett finch is talking out the back of his head...
widnes -modern stadium - 4g pitch
wigan - modern stadium - pitch fine
warrigton - modern stadium - pitch fine
st helens - modern stadium - pitch fine
salford - modern stadium - pitch fine
london - modern stadium - pitch fine
huddersfield - modern stadium - pitch fine
hull fc - modern stadium - pitch ok..
hull kr - being redeveloped - pitch fine
catalan - being redeveloped - pitch fine
leeds - historic stadium,plans to upgrade south stand, pitch best in the universe....apparently
bradford -historic stadium,needs upgrading - pitch abit dodgy
wakefield & castleford are letting super league down at the minute..but both are actively seeking to change that....
so to summarize........brett finch is a knob'"
So to summarise, he was correct in his statement "You play in some unbelievable stadiums like Wembley and then you play at others that are like cow paddocks".
Calling a stadium 'historic' or 'being redeveloped' does not change the fact it's a dump.
The fact is, some grounds are top notch, some are dumps. That's all he said.
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| Maybe he's focusing on the stadiums because this year at Melbourne he'll be sat on the bench in a place he can enjoy them?
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| His views on some of our grounds are hardly surprising. First impressions count and his first away game was at Leeds. A dump if ever there was one!
He may have talked down a few of our grounds but he did talk up us supporters.
Quite a fair article really.
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| youve got to take in to account that the weather is worst over here so the pitches are never going to be at the best standard but rating pitches it would be:
Odsal - dont know why people are slagging the pitch off because as a regular spectator it always seems to be up to standard.
Probiz colliseum - alway seems to be a very good pitch.
Catalan - always looks good
Giants - very good
FC - good to say football is played there too.
KR - quite decent
Rhinos - at start of season terrible but seemed ok after that
London - always quite good
salford - really good
saints - very good
wakey - quite good but not the best
warington - always seems good
Widnes - cant fault it and very modern apart from players getting grazed knees
Wigan - very good
You can only expect bad pitches at the start of the season because the bad weather with the snow in australia they dont have that same problem so therefore its easier for them and the ground over there is solid.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"No I've not been to all grounds, care to suggest which you disagree with Sheldon?
For me the basics of a avg ground would be, mainly covered seats, 20k+ capacity, no hills (except nq where it is nice enough weather) 4 sides and decent food facilities. I've actually been generous with some, personally having been to Canberra I consider it a dog of a ground for the weather they get. Auckland is another ground that could easily be classed as poor but is saved by that massive decent stand. Nq is a grass hill and temp scaffolding stands mostly, generally I've been generous!
NRL and SL are different sized comps, different $ value therefore different expectations of facilities, especially capacity needs.'"
So on that's basis the ground where they play the grand final, origin and host the big Sydney derbys is average cause it's too big? Utter drivel.
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| I'm a Warry fan, but on the gems in SL in my humble opinion is Castleford's. great atmosphere and genuine decent people. A fixture I will look forward to this year.
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| I'm a Warry fan, but on the gems in SL in my humble opinion is Castleford's. great atmosphere and genuine decent people. A fixture I will look forward to this year.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"His views on some of our grounds are hardly surprising. First impressions count and his first away game was at Leeds. A dump if ever there was one!'" His quote is confusing. If he is referring to the pitches at UK grounds then places like Leeds and, indeed, Wigan at times will not have impressed (whereas Wakey for example will have done). If he is referring to the behind the scenes stuff that players see - changing rooms etc then places like Leeds and most of the flatpack stadia will be up there with the Aussie stuff whilst Cas for example would not.
The third option is that he is referring to spectator comfort. But that seems unlikely.
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| He played in the Cup at Post Office Road, I'd expect that's where the cow paddock comment came from. Not exactly controversial
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| cant agree more about castleford really like the atmosphere there
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| Quote ="Sheldon"So on that's basis the ground where they play the grand final, origin and host the big Sydney derbys is average cause it's too big? Utter drivel.'"
Been to ANZ numerous times and yep it is a crap ground for club games. Great when 50K+ in it but given 99% of club games played there get sub 20k its moon like atmosphere kills the enjoyment of being at the game. Throw in a lack of anything around it, pain to get to, terrible look for the game on TV with 60,000 empty seats and 90% of RL fans in Sydney dislike of it as a club ground and I think I can safely say the RL majority would agree with me. Be like London Broncos playing at Wembley and suggesting it is a great venue for SL games.
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| Oh right so it's atmosphere now.
So Leichardt must be a good ground on a sunny weekend afternoon?
Your criteria is inconsistent.
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| I'm amazed that the government owns most of the grounds.
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| its the way it is over there..
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| if people read the whole story he is quite complimentary towards the fans/atmosphere of sl..
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Oh right so it's atmosphere now.
So Leichardt must be a good ground on a sunny weekend afternoon?
Your criteria is inconsistent.'"
Atmosphere is one factor, amongst many. Leichardt is a poor ground anz is an avg ground, IMO.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"His views on some of our grounds are hardly surprising. First impressions count and his first away game was at Leeds. A dump if ever there was one!
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One of the most iconic sporting stadiums in the world, most players would love to play there every week. Manly loved it last year and Melbourne will love it this year. I sit in my old seat every home game and feel proud to be part of a club and ground steeped in history and heritage. You would all secretly miss it if it suddenly disappeared. Ask the Salford fans if they would rather be back at the "dump" that was The Willows, i think you'd get an unequivocal Yes. The new place is a soulless flatpack nightmare.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Ask the Salford fans if they would rather be back at the "dump" that was The Willows, i think you'd get an unequivocal Yes. The new place is a soulless flatpack nightmare.'"
bang on fella...
That said there are some who like the soulless SCS usually based on the fact it has decent toilets and plastic seats etc.....
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| Salford's new stadium is crap though.
If they had one like the KC now, they'd never want to see the Willows ever again.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"One of the most iconic sporting stadiums in the world, most players would love to play there every week. Manly loved it last year and Melbourne will love it this year. I sit in my old seat every home game and feel proud to be part of a club and ground steeped in history and heritage. You would all secretly miss it if it suddenly disappeared. Ask the Salford fans if they would rather be back at the "dump" that was The Willows, i think you'd get an unequivocal Yes. The new place is a soulless flatpack nightmare.'"
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