You mean like leighten Samuel did?

I have an hour to waste before a meeting and doctors is on tv. I need something to occupy me

yeah double the cost of operating for a couple of years, that would definitely make us more attractive to investors and new areas. genius!

You posted this

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This led me to believe that you thought those players with the wrong visa's only played in NL 1 and SL , when in fact they also helped the club get promoted out of NL 2

If you meant something else , away you go , explain yourself ?

I think HKR are wrong to do what they are doing , but I understand why , I understand their ' mitigating circumstances ' , and I have no doubt given a reasonable amount of time they will start to produce more players of their own

But they aren't actually breaking any RFL rules let alone laws of the land , if you suggest they are , I've no doubt you can provide us with the ' Evidence '

So we were discussing SL ?



Where ?

Or here ?


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Yes thanks

Like ships in the night

Did he ? , are you sure ? , how much RFL ' development ' money went through his company ?

And even if he did , is that really what we want , ' short term fixes ' as long as things are going to ' plan ' , then as soon as things arent they pull the plug then sue the people who have tried to carry the club into the future ?

Very reliable



And what were his actual motives , have a successful RL club , or just pish of the welsh RU for not playing ball , one thing is for certain , the citizens of Bridgend didn't have a good word to say for him , in fact I'm struggling to see anybody who has a good word to say for him at all

I could go back and highlight where you made the mistake, but it would be a waste of time as you have made the same error again.

The players who had the wrong visa's didnt play under the wrong visa's when in SL, which was what TonyGee incorrectly stated (among other things), which you backed up and have made the same assertion again here.

As I have stated before , it would sort out the ' Dreamers ' from the ' real deal ' or maybe you would rather somebody like Mr Vaughan or Mr Hope be allowed to take over a club again ?

Neither did Crusaders, hence the lack of censure from the RFL and the fine of only £5k for a regulatory infraction rather than the £60k which would have been fined from the UKBA had Crusaders been found guilty of not meeting the requirements for employing said players.


Why cant you understand the mitigating circumstances that faced Crusaders and why do you doubt given reasonable time they will start to produce more players of their own?

Yes, in the context of expansion, SL is a valid part of the debate.

Am I sure Leighton Samuel invested some money in SL? yes, you should be careful inferring such things unless you have evidence to back them up.

no, clearly not, But neither do we want to stifle innovation and expansion because of fear.

It would also dis-incentivise any sensible or capable businessman from ever becoming involved in the sport.

There are better ways of doing it.

infringed Vias regulations in the UK since they entered SL

They just did it the two years before that to get into SL

OK with that



Lets face it the contribution to the debate is greatly enhanced by this relevation of yours , you should be congratulated on spotting the mistake , and ' milking ' it for all your worth

You must be really chuffed to have got one right for a change

They will , if they last long enough , how long is long enough do you think , for the Crusaders , not the SWS , to produce players ?

The RFL havent taken any action yet , beause they are still conductiong the ' investigation ' 12 months later , I'm sure in a few months time they will publish the conclusion of their investigation , Quite possibly on the same day as Prince William marries Kate whotsersname

It wasn't in this debate , it was quite specific in that until a club was able to support itself financially it would remain in Championship 1

Fear of what ? , being found out to be dishonest or an idiot ?

so what visa did they play under in 07/08 and what visa did they play under in 09 ?.

There are lots of very sensible and capable businessmen who havent a clue how to run a sports club , but they are still allowed to do it , thats why we have clubs constantly in trouble financially

I would have said , if you want somebody to take something seriously instead of treating it like a ' hobby ' the best way is to make them commit to spending money from the start

in the context of the debate of Crusaders performance whilst in SL, it was an important distinction.

The events of the last two years have clearly set the plan back a little, but lets be honest they have 2 or 3 development products getting a lot of game time, Elliott Kear, Ben Flower, Lloyd White which is comparable to some established heartland clubs. IMO with everything that has gone on that is a fantastic acheivement.

I would expect that by 2015, if they are still in SL, that we should be looking for 6 born and bred welshmen who have come through the pathways set up by Crusaders to be getting regular first team action. That should be the aim.

It isnt a year, it is 7 months since the conclusion of the UKBA investigation. Which of course found very little fault with the Crusaders

But the overall aim would be to get them into a position where they were viable for SL, so it is relevant whether or not it was a way of preparing clubs for SL, whether it was the best way to do so, or whether putting them in the C1 would achieve much in and of itself

fear of a club not succeeding.

and as i said, we can commit them to spending money from the start, without forcing a start-up business to find £6million more than it needs to.