Just read about Ricky Leutele - hasn’t been paid for 2 months, the house the club were renting for him (Part of his contract) he’s being evicted from due to unpaid rent, the car they leased for him has been taken back as not paid for, his visa has expired and he’s having to pay for own flights home (again which club had agreed to pay for).... There’s lots of talk around the game of them not paying their bills - doesn’t sound good - I know there’s an argument they’ve had their hands tied behind their back with no central funding or support, but that is what they signed up to.... there must be serious concerns for their future existence.

What did you ask him/her back for!!

We know what happened!! Argyle dumped £18,000,000 into his fantasy.

He then decided to dump the fantasy itself and is currently on Toronto Market selling the teams kit, and the balls, which is just about all that's left of it.

Apart from the debts

silent by name silent by nature

It's not an argument when you have a £Billionaire owner is it??.

He's just stopped bothering with the club.

He's rich enough to pay his debts up this afternoon.

Small change to him but very important to the families of the players not being paid when he can pay them.

Disgrace.

So was licensing but they did it and the clubs had to lump it.

I'm with you however, Let Leigh and London who lost Superleague places unfairly - Leigh from 11th. and London to a phoney don't pay your bills club play off for the last spot in Superleague 2021.

Absolutely sorted

I don't think he answered any questions snowie, he just asked 3 questions instead, but he's right though when he says it's difficult to see what their set up will be irrespective of which league they'll be in.
The thing is nobody has a clue one way or the other whether they will be back next season, only maybe donny who only deals in facts, the rest of us will have to rely on our opinions.

I don't know why people keep quoting that Argyle has spent £18M ? He might well have, however he is also very untrustworthy & appears unable to lie straight in bed !
If it is true that he hasn't paid players, suppliers & rents etc *I have no reason to believe otherwise* then he surely hasn't been spending what he claims. The reported $10M contract of SBW hasn't cost the famously Racist David Argyle $10M [iyet[/i as he is now a Roosters player. The houses, cars & other perks may also be in arrears [iif as suggested on here is true[/i !

Take £18M as a percentage of a minimum of $1 Billion & it is relatively little, [iI can't be bothered doing the math[/i.

I wonder, if these are the things that appear to be hot topics of discussion in the fan world, is it reasonable to expect that the RFL & SL know or are looking into such stories ? Or do they just take the word of an apparently untrustworthy billionaire who has left the game a laughing stock ?

Quote ="IR80"Yes, take your nose out of People's Friend, put the Werthers Original down, look at the world, soon be time for the whippet walk. BTW Earth isn't flat and God does not exist.'" Dear oh dear https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 5ab1897ca8 Still waiting to see these benefits Toronto have brought

Quote ="IR80"Yes, take your nose out of People's Friend, put the Werthers Original down, look at the world, soon be time for the whippet walk. BTW Earth isn't flat and God does not exist.'" Dear oh dear https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 5ab1897ca8 Still waiting to see these benefits Toronto have brought

Donnyman smokesout David Icke again. The French players aren't good enough en masse(see what I did there?) The imports are there for the beach front apartments and inflated salary. The coach is a genius for still being paid and paid very well.They offer as much as Toronto which is the square root of Sweet Fanny Adam's.

Well it's certainly not for the cheese and wine as they are dire

Short interview with Elston doesn't give me much hope that they will be replaced , some how it will drag on and before you know it they will be in next season

Indeed, unfortunately. Lucky beggars.

Hull Kr aren’t good enough either? Shall we kick them out too? At least Catalans come from a decent area instead of an area that looks like it was used for filming Shameless Stop being xenophobic you moron. Catalans are a big club, Hull Kr aren’t

Years in existence and average attendance

Leigh Centurions - 100+ years / record attendance 31,326
Wakefield Wildcats - 100+ years / record attendance 30,676
Toronto Wolfpack - no longer in existence

To be fair Mr Osmond, I kind of agree, BUT it is always a 10 year plan. will you be around in ten years. I hope so.

This is the France thread you started.

In the last 10 years what has been the average attendance for Catalans Dragons - and for Leigh and Wakefield?

Try to not associate personal view with the sportsteam one supports.
Hull is a wild and wonderful place but not a disputed territory in the last decade. HTH.

The last one was four years to achieve the plan to get to SL, a year late, but that was without any return on the £18,000,000 invested which was supposed to be Canadian players and TV deals.

As for Ottawa there's no sign they have £18,000,00 to burn, and there's no chance of SL level Canadian players or a Canadian TV deal either. Perez just can't let go.

So forget 10 years, Superleague won't want this mess ever again not in 100 years. Let's just get the Bulls back in SL. When Perez was there I felt he should have stayed there, somewhere where he could have done the game a lot of good. Somewhere where he could make amends following all his nonsense.......

It seems as though the RFL & Sky TV [itheir pundits must have been ordered to be nothing but positive about them on air from what I have seen[/i have trumpeted, championed & lauded Toronto so much that the embarrassment alone will push them towards keeping them as a SL Club !

I know, we need Garry Schofield on SKY...that would ruffle a few feathers.I think Brian Carney criticized them being allowed to quit Sooper Dooper league, but that's about it.

I think TWP will have easily have spent £18,000,000 Ste, or maybe so far "committed to" that, and now they are reneging on the player deals, as you say it may end up less by the end of it all.

I also think your observation as regards those in the RL media, TV and RL mags/papers is correct. Everyone was expected to be "positive" about them,but maybe that's what you have to do if you want the game to succeed, even though personal thoughts may be otherwise. Everyone in the RL hierarchy and RL journos seem to have been positive about Ottawa and New York (or at worst made no comment) so maybe it's an unwritten rule to be positive about the game at all times when you work in it and your representing or talking about it in Public.

Can't agree at all they will keep TWP as a SL club. [uThere is nothing to keep[/u - No ground, No money, No players, No owners the only thing to their name must be the players kits, the balls and a load of TWP branded snake oil or whatever they were pretending to sell worldwide.....Oh yes and the unpaid debts.

Martyn Sadler heaped praise on TWP and the American dream in his TRL paper for four whole years. So did Lockwood in his copycat paper.

On the day it all collapsed Mr. Sadler decided to write some pie in the SKY piece about his proposed change to the ownership model of English Superleague clubs.

Garry Schofield was left to condemn Argylle walking away....

Mmmm, some folk/journalists will want to give them excuses for quitting SL (Visa problems and Covid-19), but most of us know they virtually brought the game into disrepute, and probably annoyed the hand that feeds them....SKY TV.

Go look it up if your interested. My problem with Catalans is they long ago abandoned any idea of being the club to underpin French player development, their original role. The original idea was this would revive the France/GB tests if french players were professionalised. 2006 they had 22 French players mainly in the first team. In 2022 they have 16 French players mainly in the higher number squad shirts. The French tests died two years ago.

I don't see the road ahead as kicking them out of the game here because I feel it would accelerate their game's demise that is occurring at the hands of French Rugby Union. I think that it is essential to raise French interest, that Catalans and Toulouse play each other every season but the best thing is for that to be in the Championship.

I can see there being 16 serious English member clubs chasing 12 SL places 2022. A token place for France takes away a French derby, the Championship will still be a great league and I'd like to see the two French clubs in there. IF they wanted.

Well maybe your right that it looks better for the game that they say in the official press release, in the end the costs of Covid and suspending the season and the problems over Visa's led to the clubs sad demise.

When a rogue dies you really have to be as kind as you can, even though the truth may be the opposite. He got bored.