Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" =#FF0000no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though'" Yes you did , you stated that if you ' prepare ' you could draw in hundreds of thousands of corporate and millions of sponsorship pounds , that is exactly what you said You are the one looking stupid here

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" =#FF0000no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though'" Yes you did , you stated that if you ' prepare ' you could draw in hundreds of thousands of corporate and millions of sponsorship pounds , that is exactly what you said You are the one looking stupid here

before the season starts , so I could not book a seat/table mid season ? , is that what you are saying , they sell ALL of it what 3/4 months before ? , maybe 6/7 months ? , maybe 12 months , so they have nearly sold it for season 2012 now ?, I'll ring tommorrow and ask

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" =#FF0000no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though'" Yes you did , you stated that if you ' prepare ' you could draw in hundreds of thousands of corporate and millions of sponsorship pounds , that is exactly what you said You are the one looking stupid here'" this new quote thing means you had to include my quote, its clearly not there.

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did'" =#FF0000no i didnt, i even repeated what i said for you. at some stage i will have to accept, im just making an old man look stupid. Not yet though'" Yes you did , you stated that if you ' prepare ' you could draw in hundreds of thousands of corporate and millions of sponsorship pounds , that is exactly what you said You are the one looking stupid here'" this new quote thing means you had to include my quote, its clearly not there.

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said [iWakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds[/i, rather than [iwith a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets[/i. That you clearly made it up. I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said [iWakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds[/i, rather than [iwith a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets[/i. That you clearly made it up. I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet

no, im saying nothing of the sort.

how is it still not sinking in.

But at least you have stopped arguing against your own point now, and started on a point no-one has made, but at least its not against yourself. Thats progress.

But i really have to ask, what part of [iit would be idiotic to pretend leeds sold all their corporate facilities in the few short weeks before the season starts[/i did you think meant [iSo Leeds sell all their corporate [ I said corporate not sponsorship as that is different before the season starts ,[/i

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said Wakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds, rather than with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets. That you clearly made it up. =#FF0000I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet'" Because you cant You suggested that a club like Leigh would be able to bring in millions of pounds of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds of corporate sales if they were able to prepare for 2/3 seasons , and yet there are most of the clubs already in SL unable to do this , you used one club , just one club as an example , but are unable to supply any kind of proof of this , you suggest that a well run club like Leeds will bring in sponsorship and corporate sales many months , even years prior to the actual games being played , as I said , I'll test this tommorrow , to see if I can book a table for a season 2012 or even a 2011 game ?

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said Wakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds, rather than with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets. That you clearly made it up. =#FF0000I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet'" Because you cant You suggested that a club like Leigh would be able to bring in millions of pounds of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds of corporate sales if they were able to prepare for 2/3 seasons , and yet there are most of the clubs already in SL unable to do this , you used one club , just one club as an example , but are unable to supply any kind of proof of this , you suggest that a well run club like Leeds will bring in sponsorship and corporate sales many months , even years prior to the actual games being played , as I said , I'll test this tommorrow , to see if I can book a table for a season 2012 or even a 2011 game ?

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said Wakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds, rather than with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets. That you clearly made it up. =#FF0000I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet'" Because you cant You suggested that a club like Leigh would be able to bring in millions of pounds of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds of corporate sales if they were able to prepare for 2/3 seasons , and yet there are most of the clubs already in SL unable to do this , you used one club , just one club as an example , but are unable to supply any kind of proof of this , you suggest that a well run club like Leeds will bring in sponsorship and corporate sales many months , even years prior to the actual games being played , as I said , I'll test this tommorrow , to see if I can book a table for a season 2012 or even a 2011 game ?'" Please do, please ring them ask them and post back here, you can have proved a point to yourself that you made up. You do know people can see you take part of a sentence out of context and argue something completely different. You arent fooling anyone. I dont need to explain how you made it up, because its clear you made it up if they look above what you have put. But you still keep doing it. Its funny to watch.

Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?'" They are SL clubs, fella.'" So they should have no problem selling millions of pounds worth of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of corporate sales to individual companies , should they ? And does it cost hundreds of thousands to book a ' box ' at wakefield ? , well does it ?'" I like this new quote thing, it shows when you make up things like i said Wakefield sell a box for hundreds of thousands of pounds, rather than with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets. That you clearly made it up. =#FF0000I dont even have to explain it. Its right there. You dont seem to have noticed this yet'" Because you cant You suggested that a club like Leigh would be able to bring in millions of pounds of sponsorship and hundreds of thousands of pounds of corporate sales if they were able to prepare for 2/3 seasons , and yet there are most of the clubs already in SL unable to do this , you used one club , just one club as an example , but are unable to supply any kind of proof of this , you suggest that a well run club like Leeds will bring in sponsorship and corporate sales many months , even years prior to the actual games being played , as I said , I'll test this tommorrow , to see if I can book a table for a season 2012 or even a 2011 game ?'" Please do, please ring them ask them and post back here, you can have proved a point to yourself that you made up. You do know people can see you take part of a sentence out of context and argue something completely different. You arent fooling anyone. I dont need to explain how you made it up, because its clear you made it up if they look above what you have put. But you still keep doing it. Its funny to watch.

It's a good job the Celtic Crusaders didn't know they were getting a SL spot , they could have made enough money to stay in Bridgend if they had

maybe they would have been better spending a couple of years preparing?

like Toulouse?


now why would they play a full round of games to prepare? And funded by the SL clubs to help them prepare? surely not starry? Say it ain't so?

, allowing them to build a full time squad , and acclimatise themselves to the travelling needed

Yes they would have been able to make fans and potential sponsors aware of their impending SL entry

This however was an idea in prefference to their precence in the Championship which I consider has been disruptive,expensive and unneccessary , they face unique problems that british based Championship clubs dont , ie travelling and not actually knowing how strong a team they needed

The main purpose would still have been from a playing perspective , as for any sponsorship/corporate benifits , as I am not very familiar with both the Toulouse club and the potential support it could draw locally/nationally I could not comment

According to the chairman,he expects between 5000 - 8000 for home matches,hence the plans now going through for the redevelopment of Les Minimes - TO suffer (just like some uk teams) from having a very succesful RU team plus a decent football team - last seasons' game planning by the RFL (I assume) was a joke with many of the TO games clashing with big RU games - the Good Friday game was ridiculous as it's not a Bank Holiday as in the uk,hence the relatively small attendance.The corporate potential is big,the chairman is a well respected pillar of society (ex police cheif) and a real character who could charm the birds out of the trees.I can't see the investment as a big hurdle.Saying that,he is not the biggest payer so might struggle to get anything other than journeymen with an occasional 'big name' into any future SL squad.

This was the original post , it outlines an idea , one that would have been funded to SL levels allowing Toulouse to operate almost at the same level as the Catalans with a full time squad but playing for one season in the Championship , I made no provision for stadia or sponsorship IN SL as that was not the question

The only issue was funding , and I have highlighted where that would come from



Once again you are insulting me , calling me ' narrow minded and a traditionalist ' , if that was the case why would I be suggesting Toulouse be included in SL in 2012 ?

sorry if you are insulted,please accept my apologies

don't have any problem with that mate but you contradict yourself by stating almost daily it seems that TO shouldn't be in the Championship,mainly cos' it's costing £250,000 to the detriment of the other C teams.Good news is that when TO are finally admitted into SL think of all that lovely dosh that will be saved and put back into the rest of the Championship ? except of course when another french LER club (probably FCL) are put in to replace TO !!!!

Why do we have constant suggestion about the necessity of a 2nd French side in SL in order to promote the French game and provide a local rivalry for the Catalans Dragons?

Auckland/New Zealand Warriors have been playing in the NRL for many years now and I've not heard a clamour for a 2nd NZ club to be placed in the NRL to provide a derby for the Warriors and promote NZ RL.

Really? I have, several times.

Possibly because it is a good idea , and given that the Catalans inclusion hasn't as yet noticably improved the French national side , then hopefully putting Toulouse in would , also we dont want them or any other French club in the Championships

The number of Kiwi eligable players in the NRL means there isn't the same need for a second NZ team in the NRL , although it would be a positive for NZ sport

i await sanjunien's arrival to tell you what a parochial flatcapper you are whilst at the same time applauding you for your vision of expansion.

don't fall into the old trap of mixing the SL/club & international performances - the inclusion of arguably the best english players according to McBanana (some actually playing in the NRL !) representing England doesn't mean they will be successful : witness,the pathetic performances down under by the creme de la creme that is England ! they weren't even that convincing against PNG !
I can't see how TO in the SL will change much for Bobbie Goulding.

To answer the original question:

Rugby League is a credible sport in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumbria, a small part of France and Queensland / NSW.

Outside of those areas few people give a flying .

just about sums it up,doesn't it ?

So you can see the benefits of allowing a club to time to prepare for their entry to SL and your arguments against it you admit were, as you would say, Bollox!!

And so , 4 pages later we are back at the start