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| Quote ="pyeman"i think the way to improve rl would be to drop 3 sydney teams from the nrl and replace them with a png side, a second kiwi side and a perth side.
I will leave dally to chew on that one for a while.'"
to compare NRL vs SL :
arguing for leigh and barrow in SL is like wanting newtown, glebe or annandale in for a 2nd NZ side or PNG.
nobody is saying more NRL clubs for sydney.
think about this for a while and youll understand it eventually
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| SL has enough clubs from small towns and doesnt need any more
its got the basis of the heartland clubs in there.
many of the current heartland clubs are frankly a failure.
for the sport to go anywhere its got to get to meaningful places it isnt already in.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"toulose would get larger crowds within 3 years of SL entry than the laggard heartland clubs who have been around for donkey years do today.'"
How do you know? Please post a link to the market research you have done on this as you seem so confident. I can't imagine you'd post anything so cocksure without such market research. That would make it pure guesswork and leave you open to ridicule. I think you're better than that though
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| Quote ="dally messenger"SL has enough clubs from small towns and doesnt need any more
its got the basis of the heartland clubs in there.
many of the current heartland clubs are frankly a failure.
for the sport to go anywhere its got to get to meaningful places it isnt already in.'"
I agree. That makes sense. But doing the latter bit before such places are ready is folly. Catalans were ready. Toulouse probably are - at a push. Celtic weren't. Paris certainly aren't.
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| Quote ="littlerich"I agree. That makes sense. But doing the latter bit before such places are ready is folly. Catalans were ready. Toulouse probably are - at a push. Celtic weren't. Paris certainly aren't.'"
catalans were ready eh ?
thats not what everybody was saying after their first year in SL.
keep it up.
the only way they will be ready is by being in SL and given a 3 year license. the people behind paris arent going to muck around with an NL1 side.
CC are a work in progress. im not prepared to write them off yet.
id say they achieved more in their first year under franchising than salford or wakey did
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| Quote ="littlerich"How do you know? Please post a link to the market research you have done on this as you seem so confident. I can't imagine you'd post anything so cocksure without such market research. That would make it pure guesswork and leave you open to ridicule. I think you're better than that though
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test match crowds have been good.
the clubs crowds in NL1 / championship have been very good as well.
the club last time round had a very strong business plan ensuring a good team on the pitch which would also help crowds.
when they are in SL in a few years time the facts will speak for themselves. RL in france is much more likely to work than most other expansion areas you can try
its already worked before
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| Quote ="dally messenger"to compare NRL vs SL :
arguing for leigh and barrow in SL is like wanting newtown, glebe or annandale in for a 2nd NZ side or PNG.
nobody is saying more NRL clubs for sydney.
think about this for a while and youll understand it eventually'"
To compare sl to nrl only one city is allowed more than one team in sl, in the nrl they have 7 teams from the same city, clearly the nrl is thinking in a very insular matter. To compare sl and nrl, sl has teams from 3 countries, the nrl two, clearly the nrl needs to have a more expansion based aproach.
I've heard plenty of people support the idea of norths entering the competion.
to compare british rl and australin rl british rl can support 3 leagues, australian rl can only support one (and some random cup cometitions), clearly the australians need to work harder to create meaningful lower leagues.
that should keep him busy for a while.
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| Quote ="pyeman"To compare sl to nrl only one city is allowed more than one team in sl, in the nrl they have 7 teams from the same city, clearly the nrl is thinking in a very insular matter. To compare sl and nrl, sl has teams from 3 countries, the nrl two, clearly the nrl needs to have a more expansion based aproach.
I've heard plenty of people support the idea of norths entering the competion.
to compare british rl and australin rl british rl can support 3 leagues, australian rl can only support one (and some random cup cometitions), clearly the australians need to work harder to create meaningful lower leagues.
that should keep him busy for a while.
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the population of sydney exceeds all your heartlands combined !
how many PL soccer sides does London have? please stop this line of argument, its really dumb
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| Quote ="dally messenger"catalans were ready eh ?
thats not what [size=150everybody [/sizewas saying after their first year in SL.
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There you go again - distorting the facts. I never said they weren't ready - you're making things up again
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| Quote ="dally messenger"CC are a work in progress. im not prepared to write them off yet.
id say they achieved more in their first year under franchising than salford or wakey did'"
They certainly made more newspaper headlines and were a great attraction for the "authorities"
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| Quote ="littlerich"There you go again - distorting the facts. I never said they weren't ready - you're making things up again
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im sure you were one of the few people who all thought they were ready and didnt say a word when they came last in their first year and their were rumours they had a large debt building up and players werent being paid.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"im sure you were one of the few people who all thought they were ready and didnt say a word when they came last in their first year and their were rumours they had a large debt building up and players werent being paid.'"
At last - you've got something right.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"rumours they had a large debt building up and players werent being paid.'"
You talking Crusaders, or Hull KR?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"how many PL soccer sides does London have? please stop this line of argument, its really dumb'"
25% of PL sides are from London
50% of NRL sides are from Sydney
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the population of sydney exceeds all your heartlands combined !
how many PL soccer sides does London have? please stop this line of argument, i'm really dumb'"
Er no the heartland areas have a greater population than sydney, west yorkshire alone equals halfs the population of sydney before we go into merseyside, cheshire, parts of greater manchester, east yorkshire and cumbria as well as other places such as york.
London premiership sides? about a 25% instead of the nrls 50% sydney teams.
Keep going dally
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| Quote ="dally messenger"to compare NRL vs SL :
arguing for leigh and barrow in SL is like wanting newtown, glebe or annandale in for a 2nd NZ side or PNG.
nobody is saying more NRL clubs for sydney.
think about this for a while and youll understand it eventually'"
Weren't you arguing for the demerger of Sydney teams before? Isn't that the same? You wanted more Sydney teams, which would have taken the places of a 2nd NZ side, etc?
And isn't arguing for another QLD club (based in or near Brisbane) or NSW club (based near Sydney) worse than arguing for Barrow (a Cumbrian club, in an area where there is no SL)?
And you still haven't answered which NRL clubs you would drop if you were to bring in an expansion side.
Don't hide from the questions, dally. That's not your style
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| [urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/8363171.stm[/url
Don't know if this has already been posted.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"[urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/8363171.stm[/url
Don't know if this has already been posted.'"
Let's see if he's got any influence.
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| Still waiting for the answer Dally on wether you would rather see the CC Bears or the WA Reds in NRL in 2013?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Still waiting for the answer Dally on wether you would rather see the CC Bears or the WA Reds in NRL in 2013?
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Most people with credibility usually learn that when their views are exposed as hypocritical through questions that probe them, it would make sense to change such views accordingly.
Dally on the other hand has gone with the "if they're not their, then it's OK" technique of dealing with probing questions! He actually believes he is right, despite also knowing his views are completely hypocritical when twisted on his views of the NRL, and when he is shown up he goes on to trolling as a defence mechanism against personal humiliation.
I'm not sure what's worse: trolling for the sake of trolling, or trolling to divert attention from complete lack of an argument...
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| Quote ="dally messenger"a Paris bid backed by the resources of the Stade Francaise club would be a failure?
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Almost certainly yes once they see crowds of 2000 turn up. Paris St Germain is also a very big name and that failed miserably, there is not a shred of evidence Stade Francais would turn out differently and Paris failed miserably last time they tried to have an Elite 1 side, never mind anything higher.
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toulose would get larger crowds within 3 years of SL entry than the laggard heartland clubs who have been around for donkey years do today.'"
Not when they get 60 points put on them every week, the crowds would soon drop. They were the second worst team in the Championship this year and could well finish bottom next season, with the lower Aussie quota, they only weren't this year due to Doncaster's collapse. We may as well put the team bottom of the Queensland Cup straight into the NRL on your trolling logic
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Les Cats come from a smaller place than toulose and they average more than quite a few heartland clubs.'"
Wigan average about 3-4 times what Harlequins get and come from a place 30 times smaller, whereas Toulouse is only double the size of Perpignan, albeit with far less rugby league interest. Bigger place doesn't equal more crowds.
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| Quote ="bowes"Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that Paris in SL would be a disaster, that Toulouse aren't ready yet and that Crusaders has been a disaster. Doesn't mean people don't want teams there so much as wanting SL without being dragged down by very poor quality unsupported teams'"
I pretty much agree, but not to your extent.
Paris - no, not until they actually have a side of some kind, playing at LER?Championship level. If they wanted it they could do it in a couple of years, at a fraction of the cost they would have to go to for one, let alone three years of SL.
TO - probably could make the step up, but they have had the chance to prove this beyond doubt but won't go to those lengths. Again, a fear to expend only a fraction of th cost of being in SL. Not inspiring, but we should hold out to see how they do in their second year.
Crusaders - a worse first year than Catalans, as they did not develop enough Welsh players to do well next year, and have failed to sign top notch players from overseas. We still should wait to see how they do next year. IF they avoid the bottom spot then we can say that they have not been a disaster.
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as i said before, find me a fan of an NL1 club with aspirations of SL, and ill find you someone who is against SL clubs for toulose, paris or wales.
id hate to be so insecure about things'"
So how come I posted this earlier
Quote Have a look through the posts over the last 2 maybe 3 years and you will not find one where I have suggested that Leigh should be in SL before anybody currently in there or the likes of Paris or Toulouse [ you will however find many suggesting that Toulouse should be put in straight away '"
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| Quote ="dally messenger"a Paris bid backed by the resources of the Stade Francaise club would be a failure?
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