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| Quote ="prehensile"I'm fairly sure it was 5-4 with 2 abstentions (Wakefield and Widnes as already mentioned). The 4 naysayers were Wigan, Leigh, Salford and Bradford I think.'" That's right. Maurice Lindsay wanted to temporarily suspend us until all the relevant facts were known.
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| Quote ="rufustanner"Strictly speaking it wasn't 'bailing out' London but can you imagine Richard Lewis doing the same thing for Wakefield IF the rumours are to be believed.'"
Since there is now a rule that would make that impossible - no. A rule introduced with the backing of all the SL clubs in the wake of what happened with the Broncos, by the way.
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"That's right. Maurice Lindsay wanted to temporarily suspend us until all the relevant facts were known.'"
Pot and Kettle spring to mind there
I remember all the threads at the time.....hours of endless fun repeatedly asking for FACTS instead of rumours and opinions. Bottom line is, part of the Licence application reasoning was to ensure that clubs didn't do a London or Widnes in the future. If it's true, and Wakey did raise a load of revenue to get their licence, but now find themselves in trouble, I can see only one outcome and it's not one that Wakefield will find palatable.
The cold hard facts as I see them is that (removing the Salford game as there is no comparison from last year) average gates for the corresponding fixtures so far are 17% down on last year....so about 1,100 less fans per game. This is worrying as if these fans are worth £10 each a ticket and another £10 on residuals (beer food etc) then that is a £22,000 a game hole in the clubs finances.
£300,000 less revenue than last year points to headcount needing to be reduced (either playing or back room staff) to ensure the club stay on course to achieve the targets they were set by the RFL.
As for the new ground, I still say that unless £30,000,000 is already in place, Wakefield and Castleford should share a new stadium. This is not a merger, just financial common sense.
Lastly, I would hate to see any club go to the wall and I hope Wakey can turn their "supposed" problems around.
P.S. Before some wag comes along and points out that a Quins fans is harping on about attendances, I was only looking at the overall picture at wakey, where some players seem to be on very good wages. In London, we have "managed the expectations" of our players and therefore can operate on out piddly little crowds.
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| Quote ="Eurob0y"Lets hope the RFL does the right thing and bail them out like they did with the club no one cares about, London Bronchos'"
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| Quote ="rufustanner"Richard Lewis said if the clubs voted to take all accrued points off London Broncos up to that point then he would consider it a vote of no confidence in him and he would walk. The clubs then voted in favour of letting London keep the points (the then Widnes Chairman Tony Chambers voted in favour of letting London keep the points to the dismay of many Widnes fans).
Strictly speaking it wasn't 'bailing out' London but can you imagine Richard Lewis doing the same thing for Wakefield IF the rumours are to be believed.'"
Of course not. He would just let Wakefield rot, like he should have done with London. London are quickly running out of options. First the RFL save them, then the RFU save them, what next? If only wakefield had these kind of options.
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| Quote ="Eurob0y"Of course not. He would just let Wakefield rot, like he should have done with London. London are quickly running out of options. First the RFL save them, then the RFU save them, what next? If only wakefield had these kind of options.'"
It has been shown time and time again that this is not true, yet you still spout this rubbish.
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| london/quins rl were more than grateful when harlequins ru took them in. don't try and tell us that it didn't help the club.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"It has been shown time and time again that this is not true, yet you still spout this rubbish.'"
Ok then, London were saved by the other super league clubs. Happy now? Will they also save Wakefield? Will the RFU step in to save Wakefield?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"It has been shown time and time again that this is not true, yet you still spout this rubbish.'"
You have to remember he gets all his information from Wikipedia.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"london/quins rl were more than grateful when harlequins ru took them in. don't try and tell us that it didn't help the club.'"
Of course it helped them, it saved them...again
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| Quote ="Eurob0y"Of course not. He would just let Wakefield rot, like he should have done with London..'"
Really? OK, if you say so, but remember, opinions are like @rseholes...we all have on.
Quote ="Eurob0y"London are quickly running out of options.'"
Please explain? Crowds are 2 points in the licence appplication and we are fully aware of the need to increase them. As for the other options open to us, these include feilding 3 current England internationals, sitting 5th of 14 with a game in hand, having an award winning community team, playing one of the fastest growing team sports in the Greater London area, having a team with more british players than some other "older" teams, having a reserve team sitting 5th with a game in hand that is full of home grown talent.....
loads of "options" there
Quote ="Eurob0y"First the RFL save them, then the RFU save them, what next? If only wakefield had these kind of options.'"
As has been pointed out, the RFL did not save us........and as for the RFU you really have no idea what you are talking about. We are not connected to Harlequins Rugby Union in any financial way. We have seperate Chairmen, back office staff, community teams and even operations managers......but if you believe that Francis Baron and the guys across the road at Twickenham have some secret agenda then you sir are watching too many old re-runs of the x-files.
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| Quote ="Wadski"You have to remember he gets all his information from Wikipedia.'"
Aye, and the sad, bitter old man at the end of the bar
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Aye, and the sad, bitter old man at the end of the bar
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I don't recall speaking to him!
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"I don't recall speaking to him!'" #
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"I appreciate that like many in wakefield you find it difficult to answer questions.
i never fish for wakey fans - no fun in catching spratts
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How SWEET of you.
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| Quote ="chissitt"How SWEET of you.'"
Don't be bitter old son.
When TRB starts alluding to difficulties at wakey then maybe it is not a fiction created by Giants fans!
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"Don't be bitter old son.
When TRB starts alluding to difficulties at wakey then maybe it is not a fiction created by Giants fans!
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I try not to be young lady, not sure what gives you the impression that I am.
I cannot speak for TRB my sugar, I will just have to take your word for it.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I try not to be young lady, not sure what gives you the impression that I am.
I cannot speak for TRB my sugar, I will just have to take your word for it.'"
The comments from con and TRB. Posters with good contacts indicate a high level of turmoil. With another low gate on Sunday and a terrible thrashing all is not well....alledgedly.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"The comments from con and TRB. Posters with good contacts indicate a high level of turmoil. With another low gate on Sunday and a terrible thrashing all is not well....alledgedly.'"
Were you a Wakefield supporter at any point? Your anger has parallels to an ex-smoker, who now reviles the habit.
You seem to have a total fixation with the club and revel in any scraps of bad news which you are fed. You must be an a real high after the number of setbacks the club has received in the lest twelve months .
Instead, why not enjoy supporting your club whilst their having a decent run.
You seem totally obsessed, which is quite disturbing.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Were you a Wakefield supporter at any point? Your anger has parallels to an ex-smoker, who now reviles the habit.
You seem to have a total fixation with the club and revel in any scraps of bad news which you are fed. You must be an a real high after the number of setbacks the club has received in the lest twelve months
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Instead, why not enjoy supporting your club whilst their having a decent run.
You seem totally obsessed, which is quite disturbing.'"
I thoroughly enjoy watching the Giants play and watching them improve at the club. Cheers.
No anger but much amusement.
Feel free to offer theories / explanations on what I choose to post on. Feel free to feel 'disturbed'. Many wakey fans would rather comment on this rather than on points of substance. No surprise.
Sunday was a very pleasant day out.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"I thoroughly enjoy watching the Giants play and watching them improve at the club. Cheers.
No anger but much amusement.
Feel free to offer theories / explanations on what I choose to post on. Feel free to feel 'disturbed'. Many wakey fans would rather comment on this rather than on points of substance. No surprise.
Sunday was a very pleasant day out.'"
So you should enjoy watching the success of the Giants after all the under achieving they have done in the past year or two, and so would I if I were a fan of the club. My theories I will keep to myself as to this fixation of yours regarding Wakefield. I personally dont feel disturbed about it. As for the fans at Wakey I am sure it is only curiosity on their part as to why you seem determined to not only go over old well troddened ground but to actually keep labouring the point. You really need to get a grip on reality and get out from behind your PC.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"As has been pointed out, the RFL did not save us........and as for the RFU
you really have no idea what you are talking about.'"
How anyone could believe the RFU would help save a league team is beyond my comprehension!
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| Quote ="chissitt"So you should enjoy watching the success of the Giants after all the under achieving they have done in the past year or two, and so would I if I were a fan of the club. My theories I will keep to myself as to this fixation of yours regarding Wakefield. I personally dont feel disturbed about it. As for the fans at Wakey I am sure it is only curiosity on their part as to why you seem determined to not only go over old well troddened ground but to actually keep labouring the point. You really need to get a grip on reality and get out from behind your PC.'"
More theories / explantions.
Funny how many of your fellow posters were in denial. Ho hum.
I don't think finishing 5th 2 years ago was too bad.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"The comments from con and TRB. Posters with good contacts indicate a high level of turmoil. With another low gate on Sunday and a terrible thrashing all is not well....alledgedly.'"
Wowww there!!!!
I made no comments that were anything other than my own feelings on the matter. I have not commented either way on the financial stuff, other than to say that I am not aware of any truth in the rumours of any difficulties, as I do not have a definitive answer to give.
My comments were to the effect that what we see on the pitch usually reflects events off it. There are clearly unhappy people at the club - I have no idea as to why - other than the usual 'it's contract time' bit.
If anything, my understanding is that the club are planning to take us forward - and perhaps some of our players have realised that they are not good enough to be part of it? I really don't know!
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