My apologies, Rich. Not necessarily ignored the Rangi thread, and not really a promotion.
I'm just in need of feedback with what I'm doing, and would rather it not be bypassed. I'm sure you understand

ellis has already played for england therefor it would be wrong if he switched to australia...thats our (international RL) biggest issue...players nation hoping having already played for another nation

if george wanted too switch,having not played for england yet and completed the 3 years residency in australia then its england lose


thats modern day sport

do me a favour and go dig out the RLIF eligibilty rule book and clarify the law for me.....oh yeah thats right it's not actually written down anywhere lol


3 seasons is 3 RL years

Its good for the England National Team

As simply he is a class player

as far as it goes for young English players its a blow

No, the rule is 3 years, not 3 seasons or 'RL years'. The rule is intended for the likes of Civoniceva who migrate at a young age rather than players who sign for foreign clubs such as Chase. I'm sure England will get away with it because the international administrators are as stupid as most of the fans, but that doesn't mean Chase is eligible.

As he not just been voted as the "Best Overseas Player." at the MOS ceremonies.

I think its bad news and brings the game into disrepute

We may as well ask the NRL to field a team on our behalf and let our up an coming halfbacks have a longer holiday from now on. This will do more to damage our international standing then improve it, the whole sport is a joke at times.

More so than the Aussies picking a Fijian international?

Give your head a shake, in no way at all does it bring the game into disrepute.



None of the up & coming halfbacks are good enough, that's why Chase has been picked in front of them, Lomax is nowhere near good enough to be an international half back nor is Myler or Gaskell.

Yes. We should not be picking Aussies or Kiwis, we're not a developing country and frankly we should be embarrassed that we have to resort to this. As with Heighington, we have picked a player who sees us as a second choice, because they weren't good enough for their first choice. Chase stated in the September RLW that he wanted to play for NZ in the Four Nations and now a month later, he suddenly wants to represent England. Didn't really agree with Reed, but at least he chose us over Origin/AUS and clearly wants to play for England as his first choice.

But thats the point, we ARE starting to develop our own, then go pick a Kiwi. We have a team, who are in the GF, who have played with two young half-backs all year, done an amazing job, and had their path blocked by a New Zealander. Yes Chase is extremely talented. But he's not English. All those saying play Monoghan , Dobson as well etc, we still won't beat the Aussies, all the interviews will be an embarrssment with their aussie accents.

It looks like most of the English players, retired, past-it, young old etc are all against the move. Theirs is the most important. What does that do for our sport and how why would a young player want to choose to play RL when any chance of an England selection will be blocked.

Why don't we just rename it SL v.s NRL.

Because he's better than both and by quite some distance, Gaskell and Lomax are nowhere close to being good enough to play for England YET, they both need to improve their kicking games, passing and all round game awareness.



He is now though, just because he wasn't born here doesn't mean you can't say he isn't English when it's the country he calls home and wants to represent.



They don't like it because they're all stuck with the same bigoted attitude of half of the people on here, oh no he wasn't born in England - the bloke is more English than Jack Reed.

I agree with Myler as he's had chances, but Lomax and Gaskell haven't, so how do you know they're not good enough?

Because you can see from watching Super League games that neither are good enough at the minute to play at international level, they don't have the kicking games and Gaskell appears to always look to step inside and go himself instead of passing it wide, Lomax just makes poor decisions they need a couple more years at Super League level yet.

A certain Benji Marshall is always going to keep Rangi out of the NZ team, and obviously he knows that but also knows that hes good enough to play international rugby, so thats why he approached England, and the RFL have welcomed him with open arms because they know he is a class player and that he could make a difference in the 4 nations and in the future.

Or maybe it's because he's said before this years Exiles game when he played AGAINST England that he hoped it would be a sprinboard to represent New Zealand. Whatever you think of the English players, their opinion matters more than yours & mine.

We have some talented English players who want to represent THEIR country. We just have this urban myth that because we don't have a Kiwi or Aussie accent, we;re not as good as them.

What gets me is the hypocritical RFL bringing in the licensing to help develop the youth, clubs do that, and then the RFL let a load of overseas players represent England.

Like Rangi Chase who has fully pledged himself to the English cause?

Just because he has a Kiwi accent doesn't mean he shouldn't play for the country he has lived and worked in for the majority of his professional career.

It's the small minded attitude of people like you and a few players that's holding the team back, not picking quality players like Chase who will improve the team.

Can you source that other that Senior and probably RL's own rent a quote Gary the drunkard Schofield?

Fully pledged



You mean like he did while playing for the Exiles when he said he wanted to represent New Zealand. I have nothing against Chase what so ever, he is immensely talented. My MOS. But i don't agree the desperation in picking New Zealanders and Aussies for England. It's taken him until hes 25 to decide he's English??

And my sources include Stefan Ratchford, Chev Walker, Matt Diskin, John Bateman, Paul Wood, Kevin Brown etc etc. How demoralising must it be for young players like Bateman, Lomax etc.

Why not just choose all the overseas players in SL, would give our game great coverage with all the TV interviews with their English accents. Your country is not your club. You can't pick & choose what nationality you are when it suits you.

What is wrong with you flatearthers ?
I think its brilliant that Rangi is the first International dual registered player.
Lets use him whilst we have got him and at least NZ are happy as he's guarenteed to get some gametime as there are better players in front of him at the NZ club so he would never have got a look in.

Who gives a monkeys about young British players anyhow, its not as if they are the future of out sport - this sends out a great example to all those kids in New Zealand, Tonga, PNG and Australia that if your not good enough for your home country we can send you on a dual contract to England to get game time and the fans there don't mind watching a variety of nationalies play for the England club as long as they win.

You flatearthers will hold the game back internationaly for years - you need to move with the times and realise International RL is just like club RL these days , any Kiwi , Aussie or any geezer from Earls Court who can say g'day convincingly is a shoe in for a playing or a coaching role at your club.

I think its brilliant that a person who grew up in Dannervirke New Zealand dreaming he would one day play for England at RL has been able to fulfil that dream.

Then you should sue your typing fingers for defamation



It creates competition for positions. It tells players - both established and up-and-coming -
that if they want to wear an England shirt, they have to do more than just be slightly better than mediocre, they have to be the best in their position against serious competition. This is good for the team, and it's good for players aspiring to play in the team.

In that case, Rangi has just looked at the NZ side and decided "Nah, i'm never gonna get in that. I'll go for the easy option where I'll be welcomed with open arms."

That isn't how international selection and having the honour of playing for your country should work.

Sorry, I see Chev Walker thinks its bad too.

Chase has just won MOS btw.

No. Anything that helps England win in the short term is good

Well, no he wasnt picked, overlooked by the selectors so obviously he approached England, he must be desperate to play international rugby.

This will be good for English RL because it will say to young English halves; "You might be good, but to play for England you need to be the best".