Rhyl is not a bad ground but the pitch seems small for RL and is no where near super league standard. Farrar road is about to be knocked down and bangor are moving into a 2,000 cap ground. Again no good for Super League. of course you have to think of the future. Cefn druids are in a new ground but its a little out of the way and of course no where near super league standard.

Never mind the ground IN Rhyl not being up to scratch, Rhyl itself is not upto scratch

i doubt many fans of championship/championship one teams relish the prospect of having to travel via a Stargate to reach their away games against the third incarnation of Crusaders

I think stability and getting a team in Championship One or Conference has to be the aim and not even think about SL for now. I am not sure what facilities are like at Wrexham RU club but that could be another short term option though a merger with Scorpions and Championship rugby next year could be the RFL's prefered option but a real kick in the nuts for those supporters in the North.

I'd like to see a resurrected Wrexham side but there is no value in the "Crusaders" moniker. I should be scrapped and never used again by any Welsh side.

Indeed you should if you think RL should be resurrected in Wrexham.

Would you like to explain this, Barry? Please, go right ahead! I'll await your response with baited breath.

Ooops, a tiny typo there.

I'd like to see a representative of every major town / city in Britain in the professional pyramid. Wrexham are a medium sized town so I'd like them to have a team. I don't think it will happen though.

See what I mean , we are told be happy to be a Championship club , then as soon as an expansion club is discussed , SL ,SL SL

I really hope that when Dickie & Nige come knocking on the doors of the Championship leagues clubs and say that they would like to admit Crusaders then I hope the chairmen of those clubs stand firm and say no chance, we're refusing to play in any league with them in it.

As much as I understand the injustice and anger felt towards the way things have turned out Derwent , we need more clubs , and if a club can be reborn from this fiasco , with guarantees there will not be any excessive attempts to push them forward until they can support themselves , then I'd welcome them into the Championships

I'd even consider letting the RFL give them extra funding for a set period as long as that was tied into a no promotion clause and was all out in the open

Why no promotion clause? You dont think the RFL will be pushing this again in 3 years time do you

Would such guarantees be worth the paper they're written on though ?

Let me make it clear, my problem isn't with the club themselves it is with the RFL who have orchestrated this whole shoddy affair and now are looking to the clubs that they allowed Celtic to trample all over in the first place to be their saviours and salvage something out of it to save face.

Effectively they would be asking Championship clubs to allow Crusaders in to be 'on hold' for another stab at SL, because we all know that as soon as practically possible the RFL would be manouvring them in that direction again. Any Championship club with ambition of their own would be mad to agree to it unless they had cast iron guarantees and an option to sue if favouritism is shown at any time in the future.

TNS have a nice ground, closer to Wrexham than either of the above. As do Chester, of course - and their ground is at least partly in Wales.

Because that would be fair , if a club was to be recieving extra funding then for it to use that money to advance up the divisions at the expense of other clubs would be wrong , IMO

Basically the money would be to put a foot ON the ladder , not climb it to the top , as before

If the RFL were stupid enough to try this type of farce again , then I dont think they would still be in a job for long

The New Saints as they're now know as have an artificial pitch.

Good point...

Wrexham Fc's players have gone on strike as they've been told there is no chance of them getting paid this month as the money has run out. As they are owned by the same company I think its highly unlikely that the Crusaders will be around in its current guise next season.

As I have said this is all part of Moss and co master plan to close down both sporting teams ready to sell the ground and be quids in.

Tonights Wrexham fc game has been called off as the players havent been paid yet the owners have disappeared on holiday.

Which is why I said ignore them , and look to set up a club somewhere close but nothing to do with the previous one , and one with the aim of being a good Championship club with no crazy SL ambitions

Wrexham fail to pay players - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14329582.stm Questions seems to be, will they survive until the end of the season.

Wrexham fail to pay players - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14329582.stm Questions seems to be, will they survive until the end of the season.

Ok but by who, what with and where. Wrexham is the major town in North Wales going anywhere else would be a mistake.

How dare you blame the Gods at the RFL . As they keep telling us "Everything" we do is "transparant" and "above board" and for the good of the game of Rugby League. " The Truth Is Out There", But not as we know it Jim.

You state in an earlier post that you think the raceco ground will be sold off,now you say they need to stay in wrexham.
Is there another ground in Wrexham?.

Not is Wrexham FC Supporters Trust get control off Moss and Roberts and that has to be the best way to save both clubs and send those asset strippers packing once and for all.

Moss now saying that the club's run out of money so they can't pay the players and there's a £45k tax bill due. He's also saying that he may have to leave the country due to death threats. Libya? Somalia? Sudan? Any more suggestions?