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| Quote ="pyeman"yeah morley, carney and ellis have all done rubbish in the nrl havent they.'"
Yup.
Morely eventually got punted because he couldn't grasp the fact he had to tackle below head height.
Carney was reasonable .....but he was actually Irish ...and if rumours are to be believed....was 'close' to Matty Johns
Ellis is very over rated and I expect him to be back in SL before too long.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Yup.
Morely eventually got punted because he couldn't grasp the fact he had to tackle below head height.
Carney was reasonable .....but he was actually Irish ...and if rumours are to be believed....was 'close' to Matty Johns
Ellis is very over rated and I expect him to be back in SL before too long.'"
Apart from Carney being Irish, the rest of the post is a load of tosh.
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| Quote ="bully boy"Apart from Carney being Irish, the rest of the post is a load of tosh.'"
Not at all.
Morely had to go.
If he wasn't injuring himself through poor tackling he was suspended.
Ellis arrived and had to be shown the basics. He is very average, despite what you may think
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| sounds good to me cos when they come back to england from our nrl feeder club they sign on for the giants, sounds like good news to me icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Yup.
Ellis is very over rated and I expect him to be back in SL before too long.'"
2010 wasnt it you convicts said? hmm..
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Quote ="Frosties."Gareth Ellis, Mark Flanagan and Sam Burgess..
"Wigan stand-off Mark Flanagan is heading to Wests Tigers, who are also set to sign England forward Sam Burgess from Bradford for 2010."
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/121 ... s-deported
Think that is great imo. What does everyone else think?'"
I think its great that slowly but surely the standards of our players are getting recognised in the NRL...once upon a time, not so long ago (the adrian morley era) its was a token brit knocking about in the NRL...next season there will be potentially 3...and possibly more in the future...
i think we have to ask the question here.....has English RL luckily turned out 3 good young lads or is grass routes and the academy systems starting to once again produce world class talent...?
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Quote ="Frosties."Gareth Ellis, Mark Flanagan and Sam Burgess..
"Wigan stand-off Mark Flanagan is heading to Wests Tigers, who are also set to sign England forward Sam Burgess from Bradford for 2010."
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/121 ... s-deported
Think that is great imo. What does everyone else think?'"
I think its great that slowly but surely the standards of our players are getting recognised in the NRL...once upon a time, not so long ago (the adrian morley era) its was a token brit knocking about in the NRL...next season there will be potentially 3...and possibly more in the future...
i think we have to ask the question here.....has English RL luckily turned out 3 good young lads or is grass routes and the academy systems starting to once again produce world class talent...?
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| Maybe not world class talent but the potential is there.
Some of the better SL players would easily make it in the NRL but not in their current form, different culture over there and within a year of their coaching they'd be much better players than they will become in SL.
Our standards seem to be rising, i'd personally prefer the homegrown quota to be raised by 2 by 2011 mind.
Lastly I think the players coming through today, the seeds were maybe put in place 5 or 6 years ago when it was considered teams were doing nothing, in another 5 or so years I think the British game will be somewhat better off, we got beaten fairly well but I think there was 8 Squadbuilder players (in brief detail, a system set up where fans' money goes to help the development of players) in the Wire 17 last friday, thats not including the other academy products and British players, 13 of our 17 were British trained, hasnt been that way for a LONG time
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"
Ellis arrived and had to be shown the basics. He is very average, despite what you may think'"
so average that wests wanted to move him 12000 miles so he could play for them.
so average that he's played what, 20 games out of 23 this season?
so average that hes made over 500 tackles
so average that he's amassed almost 2000 meters
so average that he has over 250 hit ups...
which puts him in the top few at wests in all those stats...
his stats suggest hes above average, in a team that currently sits 5th in the NRL....
I presume youre an aussie?...who are generally very quick to bag the 'pohms' and very reluctant to award praise....
however, if you want to play it that way....matt king, a well respected aussie test star, has looked like he needs to be shown tha basics for a large amount of his warrington career...!!!!
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Yup.
Morely eventually got punted because he couldn't grasp the fact he had to tackle below head height.
Carney was reasonable .....but he was actually Irish ...and if rumours are to be believed....was 'close' to Matty Johns
Ellis is very over rated and I expect him to be back in SL before too long.'"
Despite Wests coach saying that Gareth Ellis has been their star player so far this season?
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"so average that wests wanted to move him 12000 miles so he could play for them.
so average that he's played what, 20 games out of 23 this season?
so average that hes made over 500 tackles
so average that he's amassed almost 2000 meters
so average that he has over 250 hit ups...
which puts him in the top few at wests in all those stats...
his stats suggest hes above average, in a team that currently sits 5th in the NRL....
I presume youre an aussie?...who are generally very quick to bag the 'pohms' and very reluctant to award praise....
however, if you want to play it that way....matt king, a well respected aussie test star, has looked like he needs to be shown tha basics for a large amount of his warrington career...!!!!'"
I notice the difference in the way that gets put accross these days.
For the last 4 months or so he's been very good, not world class yet, but way above average.
Still some to make up for.
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| I hope they have got their visas in order
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Unlikely with Burgess though. Unless a club have offered Bradford over the £500,000+ price tag on his head or suitable players in exchange (which is also unlikely) then he won't be going anyway until the 2011 season.'"
Im sure I remember reading he had some sort of get out clause where he could move to an NRL club for free.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"
Ellis arrived and had to be shown the basics. He is very average, despite what you may think'"
Really, seems you're the only one who thinks so. Thankfully you're never right.
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Flanagan has not signed with West's
From the West Tigers website
An article in this week’s Rugby League Week claims Wests Tigers have signed one of the best young back-rowers in England in Wigan forward Mark Flanagan.
The article states Flanagan has signed a two-year deal. The 21-year-old can also play half, five-eighth and hooker.
Wests Tigers Recruitment Manager Warren McDonnell said the article was not correct.
“Mark has not signed with Wests Tigers. We have spoken to Mark and his management and have sent him a contract to look at.’’ McDonnell said.
“Should Mark sign the contract, we will announce it once we receive it. At this stage, it is just speculation.’’
www.weststigers.com.au/default.a ... y&id=19452
No mention of Burgess either.
Lots of rumors and speculation it seems.
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Flanagan has not signed with West's
From the West Tigers website
An article in this week’s Rugby League Week claims Wests Tigers have signed one of the best young back-rowers in England in Wigan forward Mark Flanagan.
The article states Flanagan has signed a two-year deal. The 21-year-old can also play half, five-eighth and hooker.
Wests Tigers Recruitment Manager Warren McDonnell said the article was not correct.
“Mark has not signed with Wests Tigers. We have spoken to Mark and his management and have sent him a contract to look at.’’ McDonnell said.
“Should Mark sign the contract, we will announce it once we receive it. At this stage, it is just speculation.’’
www.weststigers.com.au/default.a ... y&id=19452
No mention of Burgess either.
Lots of rumors and speculation it seems.
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| Just wonderd why havnt we got any english/brits playing at catalan at the moment surley it must be better in the south of france than on a wet thursday in august in the north of england.
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| Quote ="those were the days"Just wonderd why havnt we got any english/brits playing at catalan at the moment surley it must be better in the south of france than on a wet thursday in august in the north of england.'"
Simple, your average RL player is too thick and/or stubborn to learn a new language.
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| Quote ="Standee"Simple, your average RL player is too thick and/or stubborn to learn a new language.'"
IF aussies can manage it, im sure most brits learned some french at school.
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| Quote ="those were the days"IF aussies can manage it, im sure most brits learned some french at school.'"
And yet they dont....because they cant.
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| why do people respond to the troll
he claims to be a cronulla fan and didnt even know a basic thing about the club.
just ignore him
ellis has been fantastic at the tigers and over time will get even better
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| Quote ="cadoo"Notice how they are all forwards.
I still think it is good news from an England point of view but I would like to see a Sam Tomkins or a Richie Myler go over there for a couple of years and see what happens.
Our backs don't have good records over there in comparison to the forwards. Richie Mathers and Chris Thorman spring to mind.'"
easier for the forwards to make the step up.
mathers had potential and tansey was getting better every week
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Oh god.
The NRL really should avoid signing Poms.
It's funny when they fail, but I would still like to see the poms staying in Superleague where they belong'"
balmain tigers in the 80s.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"easier for the forwards to make the step up.
mathers had potential and tansey was getting better every week'"
I think he will be a revelation at full back next year for us
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| Ellis has been ok in a p*ss poor Tigers pack.
He still makes really dumb mistakes and he couldn't make a good defensive read to save his life!
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Yup.
Morely eventually got punted because he couldn't grasp the fact he had to tackle below head height.
Carney was reasonable .....but he was actually Irish ...and if rumours are to be believed....was 'close' to Matty Johns
Ellis is very over rated and I expect him to be back in SL before too long.'"
Carney was reasonable? well if to be the top try scorer in the nrl you only have to be reasonable the nrl must be a poorer league league than i thought.
Morley seemed to go well when he was knocking aussies forwards all over the park.
Ellis is over rated? well his own coach said he was pivitol to wests success, and other nrl players have escribed him as 'just about the best back rower in the comp' and 'awesome' or do you know more about the nrl than the coaches and players of the nrl?
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| Quote ="those were the days"Just wonderd why havnt we got any english/brits playing at catalan at the moment surley it must be better in the south of france than on a wet thursday in august in the north of england.'"
Wouldn't an English player count as non-federation trained from Les Catalans point of view?
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