Yes if you have the knowledge to get them

Yes if you are IN SL , if you are not the job is 2/3/4 times harder , no matter how big your club or town is

You mean HKR , yes they have run the club differently , they have tipped between a half and a million quid a season in to make sure they are competitive , very different to being in the NL's

So instead of being maybe £ 500,000 in debt they are 3 million , and that is with the SKY money

Harder but not impossible. Do Leigh get these grants?
See Widnes and Hull Kr in recent seasons.
Get 3500 through the gates and you stand a chance

Exactly. Which is why when he was comparing Hull Krs dream I was suggesting that these days the Castleford approach is probably a better one

so im right, as long as a director is willing to fund a club they are fine.

thanks for that.

Go on explain the Castleford approach ? , tell me how it is different to any other clubs ?

weve had RL in london for 70 years (on and off) before fulham

so fulham were a "heartlands" type club

catalans success was never guaranteed. the decision to try france again after PSG failed was a brave one

indeed if catalans didnt have immunity from relegation (another thing richard lewis should be praised for) they mightve died off after being releated

i enjoyed reading that.

onwards and upwards

and in a nutshell there you have it

they hate expansion clubs because otherwise there would be a place in SL for their club

Can you really not read a bit above?
Hull kr have joel Clinton, Cas have Mitchell Sargeant.
Hull kr have Dobson, Cas have McGoldrick.
Cas play james evans, Kr pay Webster to sit on the bench.
Cas have plenty of juniors in the team, Kr don't

Are we noticing a pattern here?

id say 3000 myself. thats what hull kr got in the old NL1 and look what theyve got in SL

the higher the crowds go above 3000 the more likely a SL spot is

id go so far as to say that if any Championship club can get crowds of 4000 - 5000 they pretty much guarantee themselves a SL spot.

much of the core is rotten.

You mean Mcgoldrick the Australian

Rovers are only in their 4 th season of SL , their youngsters will start to come through in the next 2/3 years

Cas have not been out of SL for more than a season at any time since it started

Can you see a pattern

its the RFLs fault then that championship clubs dont have more money and those nasty SL clubs do

It was more the point they're paying cheap australians, shoestring but effective budget.
A very well run club as that's kind of what the point is here.
Im bored of the discussing now, time for nap, Dally can take over


night ol' Buggy, for a pensioner you sure stay up late

Yes it got them relegated twice and a bottom finish in 3 SL seasons , very effective

They were cheated in 06, Wigan should have gone down.
Its a different management now from 04 and 06 isnt it?
aand they finished bottom in 08, wait for it, because they knew they were safe and blooded youngsters.
Shoestring budget, plenty of youngsters, watch them fly when they get this new stadium.

Night all

theres no doubt about it mate warrington are the most under achieving club in the long history of british rugby league

so doubling in crowds

brand new stadium

further ground extension

= underachieving

SL could not exist in its present form,indeed a number of clubs would go bust instantly if sky pulled the plug now.and were you get this idea that a player sells enough shirts to make a differance to a clubs income is bonkers,your not man u you know

huddersfield &cas have had 1 year outof SL salford have had 2 all the rest have never been out of it.do you not think with that kind of stability and financial backing leigh fax oldham even workington could of done just as good a job as any team other than bulls saints wigan leeds ?

i use to be quite chilled on expansion till i read posts from yourself and your ilk now i've come to the conclusion rugby league does'nt exist anymore just like rugby union now weve got rugby and super league

get your facts right mate HKR were getting 1500 and most of them were fighting amongst them selves

but i think most clubs are run by people who think they can do a top job without having the money to back it up.

no ones asking for the same money SL clubs get that would put us at the same level of stupidity that you exist in.what thev championship clubs need is some of this money the RFL get from sky tv.if the clubs dont want to part with any of this money thats fine let the championships go look for there own TV deal it really is that simple

history lesson.

to get the decision to go to summer approved, Sky provided the RFL with a massve TV deal of 87 million / 5 years

a part of this went to clubs outside SL to pay off debts. despite this payment these clubs still are financially poor.

SL clubs dont get enough money to forgo some for clubs outside SL

if clubs outside SL cant show the RFL they can progress, theyve got no one to blame but themselves