"fumbles but collects it cleanly" © S. Cummings

How is that a penalty, the player has his feet on the line and strikes the arm and the saints player knocks on, that's such a BS call and cummings explanation is equally a pile of steaming turd as it's not relevant if the player is in an onside position!
Ref giving saints plenty but they don't need it as Salford are absolutely dire.

Hemmings makes so many mistakes now in commentary, every game. Time to retire.

How utterly unprofessional and cringeworthy is the patter these four come up with!? Pathetic

I've actually realised that Barrie McDermott is often the voice of reason on most incidents in games - but it's reduced to puerile banter when Eddie and co try to come back at him. There are simply too many voices vying for attention, and it's jarring and distracting.

Get rid of O'Connor and Hemmings - bring in a more polished performer for the main chair, and keep Barrie as the co-commentator; Cummings has no useful role at the moment, but that's partly because they ask him to do the impossible, i.e to interpret what a referee is thinking - so either clarify his brief, or get rid of him too.

I like Carney and Wells as summarisers - but Clark has become a parody of himself; in trying to break the stereotype and sound intelligent, he often disappears up his own grammatical fundament. Angela is full of enthusiasm, but it's like a junior players Mum doing an interview.

The whole thing is stale and amateurish.

That’s the major thing about it all, it’s amateurish

All need replacing with people with enthusiasm for the game

The Sky presentation is more listenable with Bill Arthur & Carney and Wells on commentary than the other shift. O'Connor can't hold a candle to Eddie Waring, never mind the current NRL professional commentators.

Wells is wittering on a bit in this one

I much prefer commentary with Jon Wells, Brian Carney and Bill Arther. Very refreshing without and of Terry O’Connor, Phil Clarke or Eddie Hemmings.

If thats the rugby league gene pool we are f00k3d.

I agree some new faces in the commentary box would be nice. I think both Jamie Jones Buchanan and Jon Wilkin have the potential when they retire.

For the love of RL absolutely not, they are NOT commentators, not even close.

buchanen? no thanks, want to understand the commentary

Still waiting for someone to tell him he's got his head on upside down

Anyone ever noticed the bad language for which Eddie feels the need to apologise? He mentions it every f***ing game.

Remember the reaction of the sky team when LMS said the F word in an interview after the 2014 GF? They couldn't apologise to the viewers quick enough, who probably didn't even care, and if they did, who cares?!

I think the problem is not just that the commentators are bad, but that theyre always the same which, to any regular viewers, quickly becomes tiresome and repetitive.

I have watched a lot of NRL recently, they have a different commentator every match, with a couple of different legends joining them.

Also part of the problem is that the Aussies legends are so much more charismatic and media trained than our ex pros!

British rugby league players can barely string a sentence together, they even take the out of them in Aus and I think Aussies are thick as a general population n’all!

Even a media savvy person like Brian Noble doesn’t understand that adverbs end in ‘ly’, watching Eorl Crabtree try and be woodenly articulate is painful because the words that come out are well off making sense at times, Terry O’C - no, just no!

Oh for a Keith Macklin, his soothing articulate unhurried commentary was easy on the ear.

All it sounds like now is ee, that wor reet smashing, it just has whippets and flat cap written all over it which isn't friendly on the ear, in fact repulsive. The inability to describe the action in anything but lazy repetitive, oft totally incorrect terms outs it for the absolute carp that it is.
Employing ex-players who might well have a grasp of the rudimentary elements but are simply incapable of using language to convey the event and summary in an appealing way which isn't doing the viewer nor the sport as a whole any favours, it's yet another aspect that is holding RL back.

Alternatively, Phil Clark, who does his absolute best to appear articulate and intelligent, but runs out of words part way through many of his tortured points and just tails off into garbled nonsense.

I know the feeling well. There's even a name for it but I'm buggered if i can remember it. Anaphasia google tells me.

And at this point Tez'll feel qualified to add a comment or two.

Tez is painful to listen to and trots out the same garbage week after week. Clark is a pseudo intellectual and believes he is talking sense, but we know differently. Barry I can cope with as he usually offers something worth listening to.

Look at the difference between the lot on Sky and then someone like Mick Ennis on Fox. He's only been doing the media gig for just over a season, and he looks and sounds like an absolute pro - he calls the game action, he gives insight into the tactics that are being used, gives an opinion, and isn't afraid to be honest about how teams/players are playing, all well presented, understandable and sounding well educated - our lot are abysmal in comparison.