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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You dont condone the thieves on the basis the police arent doing their job.'"
You really do seem very confused on this issue Smokey
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Quote ="Dudley"Please explain how the quota has been broken, bearing in mind the club has operated within RFL rules throughout.'" No they havent, which is why they will need dispensation to re-register Dobson.'"
So, again, which is it? Are Hull KR breaking the rules or not?
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| Quote ="Him"There are extra passports & the pre 2008 rule which the vast majority of clubs use.
'" yes, thanks for pretty much repeating what I said.
Quote Apparently you do. It may well have gone over my head, it was that covered in sh[ii[/it I decided to duck.'" you thought the point of that sentence was my dislike of the postal system? Oh dear
Quote Yes indeed, why should the RFL want players to arrive and play for their clubs? What a stupid ridiculous use of RFL time, presumably they should stop helping Crusaders with their players visa problems too?'" If Crusaders or HKA were asking for help organising paperwork I wouldnt have a problem.
Quote You keep saying circumvent the rules. Hull KR are playing by the rules as you yourself admit. Willie Mason has been granted a Tongan passport, by the Tongan Prime Minister, about as official as you'll ever get, he just hasn't received it yet. So considering Hull KR are playing by the rules set down in the RFL Operation Rules why shouldn't the RFL help them out with some delayed paperwork?
'" they arent helping them out with the paperwork. They are expediting Hull KRs circumventing the rules when they should be doing what they can to stop circumventing the rules by all clubs.
Quote Don't be daft, you do yourself no credit whatsoever with this ridiculous paragraph.Your dislike for Hull KR, as evidenced by the pathetic continual use of "HKA", has blinkered you to the merits of the situation. I have no doubt if this were another club involved and the RFL had not allowed this action you would be blaming the RFL for not allowing a club to play a top class player.'" it would be exactly the same whichever club
Quote The RFL have done exactly the right thing so far, they've been flexible and responsive with the rules to an exceptional situation'" They have expedited a circumvention of their own rules to bring in another overseas player when their public position is to reduce those numbers and is what the rule was put in place for.
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Quote I'll ask you again, is this an exceptional situation or not? Because you seem a little confused on the issue
Which is it Smokey? Is it exceptional and worthy of discussion and possible dispensation by the RFL Board? Or not?'" you have simply created a false argument. It is exceptional in the fact it isnt common. It isnt exceptional in it needs RFL dispensation to allow another overseas player to play in SL.
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| Quote ="Him"You really do seem very confused on this issue Smokey
So, again, which is it? Are Hull KR breaking the rules or not?'"
yes, but they are apparently receiving dispensation to do so.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, but they are apparently receiving dispensation to do so.'"
But they aren't are they? In the HDM the RFL state that in cases such as this the RFL can apply discretion which they are doing no breaking of rules, no allowing breaking of rules. As I said in a previous post, just because you don't agree with the rules, it doesn't make it any less of a rule.
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| [urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Robins-given-RFL-assurances-Dobson-register/article-3321900-detail/article.html[/url
Kind of sorts it all out
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| Quote ="Ian P"[urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Robins-given-RFL-assurances-Dobson-register/article-3321900-detail/article.html[/url
Kind of sorts it all out
'" Indeed I wouldn't want to be working in the RFL reception tonight or over the next week.
I can't see the people getting in touch being awfully friendly.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
you thought the point of that sentence was my dislike of the postal system? Oh dear '"
I have absolutely no idea what the point of your sentence was, other than yet another rant directed towards Hull KR.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"If Crusaders or HKA were asking for help organising paperwork I wouldnt have a problem.
they arent helping them out with the paperwork. They are expediting Hull KRs circumventing the rules when they should be doing what they can to stop circumventing the rules by all clubs. '"
No they're not. They are allowing a club to de-register a player. Which is allowed in the Operational Rules. Which other rules should the RFL not let clubs abide by? Or is it just Hull KR. Why aren't you getting this upset over Pat Richards Irish passport? Or Brent Webb's exclusion from the Non-Fed Trained list?
Quote ="SmokeyTA"it would be exactly the same whichever club '"
Of course it would
Quote ="SmokeyTA"They have expedited a circumvention of their own rules to bring in another overseas player when their public position is to reduce those numbers and is what the rule was put in place for. '"
Really? I think the RFL have just spelt out that the rule was put in place for:
"The rule is in place to prevent clubs from stockpiling overseas players and developing a carousel of player changes to their squads throughout a season."
Quote ="SmokeyTA"you have simply created a false argument. It is exceptional in the fact it isnt common. It isnt exceptional in it needs RFL dispensation to allow another overseas player to play in SL.'"
No I haven't, you have contradicted yourself several times on this thread, often within the same post. You started off being happy that it would go to the RFL board if it was exceptional, that then changed when you quickly remembered how much you dislike Hull KR. You admitted yourself it was an exceptional case, then you decided it wasn't, then you decided it was. The same goes for your reluctance to admit that Hull KR haven't actually broken any rules.
Either it is an exceptional case and worthy of RFL Board discussion or it isn't, there is no halfway house with this.
Either Hull KR have broken rules or they haven't.
Which is it Smokey?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, but they are apparently receiving dispensation to do so.'"
Which rules have Hull KR broken, Smokey?
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| Quote ="Him"Which rules have Hull KR broken, Smokey?'"
He's been asked this, without reply. Its not the RFL, the rules or the spirit he is bothered about, its purely that its Hull KR. His hatred shines through clearly.
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| Only the chance for a dig at Hull KR could bring the Kipperman back to RL Fans during Leeds current run of poor results.
Where you bin Smokey? We all missed you.
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| i'd love it if the rfl don't allow dobson to be reregistered this season. it's about time they stood up to scally clubs like hull kr with their blatant flouting of the spirit of the rules. in this case the rfl actually have the power to stop someone abusing the quota system. there's absolutely no chance of them blocking it though. i think maybe an rlfans campaign should be launched with everyone writing to the rfl to protest against this potential move.
i also find it funny how rover's fans think hudgells some kind of legal whiz kid. this is contract law, neil hudgell is an ambulance chaser!
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| Quote ="Bighead"i'd love it if the rfl don't allow dobson to be reregistered this season. it's about time they stood up to scally clubs like hull kr with their blatant flouting of the spirit of the rules. in this case the rfl actually have the power to stop someone abusing the quota system. there's absolutely no chance of them blocking it though. i think maybe an rlfans campaign should be launched with everyone writing to the rfl to protest against this potential move.
i also find it funny how rover's fans think hudgells some kind of legal whiz kid. this is contract law, neil hudgell is an ambulance chaser!'"
Too late petal. they've already said it's ok. Better luck next time x
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| Quote ="Bighead"i'd love it if the rfl don't allow dobson to be reregistered this season. it's about time they stood up to scally clubs like hull kr with their blatant flouting of the spirit of the rules. in this case the rfl actually have the power to stop someone abusing the quota system. there's absolutely no chance of them blocking it though. i think maybe an rlfans campaign should be launched with everyone writing to the rfl to protest against this potential move.
i also find it funny how rover's fans think hudgells some kind of legal whiz kid. this is contract law, neil hudgell is an ambulance chaser!'"
You think he spent all his time at uni and subsequent training just on accident law, you f'wit, he is a lawyer with a very successful practice, we also have several very astute business people on our board, so forgive us if we don't worry too much about what some halfwit thinks. Also, for your information this is NOT the first time such a move has been made by a club and in those cases the RFL saw no problems, as they no doubt will not in our case.
Just because you have a hatred for all things Hull KR, does not mean the RFL should make decisions based on the rantings of a brain dead moron.
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| Quote ="Bighead"i'd love it if the rfl don't allow dobson to be reregistered this season. it's about time they stood up to scally clubs like hull kr with their blatant flouting of the spirit of the rules. in this case the rfl actually have the power to stop someone abusing the quota system. there's absolutely no chance of them blocking it though. i think maybe an rlfans campaign should be launched with everyone writing to the rfl to protest against this potential move.
i also find it funny how rover's fans think hudgells some kind of legal whiz kid. this is contract law, neil hudgell is an ambulance chaser!'"
I do like these "It's not in the spirit of the rules" arguments.
Bwaaahhhhh!!! It's not fair!
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"I do like these "It's not in the spirit of the rules" arguments.
Bwaaahhhhh!!! It's not fair!'"
who said anything about it not been fair? rover's are once again showing themselves to be a joke with even more flouting of the rules to get even more overseasplayers on their books. they're not just an embarrassment to themselves and their fans but to the game as a whole. its a constant stream of events like this that are slowly turning people (like myself) away from the game, it really is a second rate, poorly run, shambles of a sport.
anyway i've heard more whinging today from rover's fan than i have anyone else's. even your own lot think its a disgusting way to carry on. but cheating and whinging is the east hull way
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| Quote ="Bighead"who said anything about it not been fair? rover's are once again showing themselves to be a joke with even more flouting of the rules to get even more overseasplayers on their books. they're not just an embarrassment to themselves and their fans but to the game as a whole. its a constant stream of events like this that are slowly turning people (like myself) away from the game, it really is a second rate, poorly run, shambles of a sport.
anyway i've heard more whinging today from rover's fan than i have anyone else's. even your own lot think its a disgusting way to carry on. but cheating and whinging is the east hull way'" Shut it you tart.
Even your own fans think you are full of it.
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| I knew it'd be worth coming on here tonight!
Boooo...... HKR..... boooo!
The local rag says it all, around all the fuory and 'scandal' on the back page, one sentence says it all, 'although the mail understands that HKR are likely to have entered into a compromised agreement with Dobson'... but boring conclusions like that never sold papers did they!!
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Shut it you tart.
Even your own fans think you are full of it.'"
Well said. Come May, sun on our back, dobbo and big willie playing alonside each other . All this negativity on the thread (mainly from envious fans ) And as for our board... .
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| Quote ="Bighead"i'd love it if the rfl don't allow dobson to be reregistered this season. it's about time they stood up to scally clubs like hull kr with their blatant flouting of the spirit of the rules. in this case the rfl actually have the power to stop someone abusing the quota system. there's absolutely no chance of them blocking it though. i think maybe an rlfans campaign should be launched with everyone writing to the rfl to protest against this potential move.
i also find it funny how rover's fans think hudgells some kind of legal whiz kid. this is contract law, neil hudgell is an ambulance chaser!'"
I would "love it'if you put the odd capital letter in your posts every now and then,are you Kevin Keegan?
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| Not the time for crowing by Rovers fans, we may get our own way on this but it's hardly going to endear us to all the other clubs.
There's talk across these boards (from people who seem to have the inside line) that we and the RFL have had our hand forced on this.
Perhaps the legal people who post here could extrapolate, but is this how law evolves? Is this a test case?
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| Quote ="Eric Olthwaite"I would "love it'if you put the odd capital letter in your posts every now and then,are you Kevin Keegan?'"
Haven't had spam fritters for years. Are they still really good in an artery clogging way?
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| Quote ="pmh"Not the time for crowing by Rovers fans, we may get our own way on this but it's hardly going to endear us to all the other clubs.
There's talk across these boards (from people who seem to have the inside line) that we and the RFL have had our hand forced on this.
Perhaps the legal people who post here could extrapolate, but is this how law evolves? Is this a test case?'"
Not sure how Rovers have had their hands forced on this (or the RFL). Care to explain?
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| Quote ="Chris28"Not sure how Rovers have had their hands forced on this (or the RFL). Care to explain?'"
I can't, I apologise.
Not sure what your agenda is here Chris28, as you will have read from my posts on other parts of the site, I know nothing of the inner machinations of what's going on and anything I've posted has mainly been posted on what you've said, because you know what you're talking about and what Kosh has said, because it would appear he has a credible inside line.
I'd love to explain, but I can't, as I've already stated over on the Rovers' board, I have no knowledge of anything.
I'm not responsible for my club, I've merely turned up, bought a ticket and enjoyed the rugby league for the last thirty years.
We've fought our way back from the brink, but for me, my club keeps pushing things too far.
I openly accept that my view can be quite correctly criticised.
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| Quote ="Standee"Mason was threatening to sign for an Aussie club if they didn't get him over a.s.a.p'"
Link?
Quote ="Standee"Unlike Rob Crossland on the private KR board, where he is gloating like mad.
idiot'"
Gloating?
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| Quote ="Bighead"who said anything about it not been fair? rover's are once again showing themselves to be a joke with even more flouting of the rules to get even more overseasplayers on their books. they're not just an embarrassment to themselves and their fans but to the game as a whole. its a constant stream of events like this that are slowly turning people (like myself) away from the game, it really is a second rate, poorly run, shambles of a sport.
anyway i've heard more whinging today from rover's fan than i have anyone else's. even your own lot think its a disgusting way to carry on. but cheating and whinging is the east hull way'"
Erm, Jamie Thakery anyone?
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