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| Quote ="Badwanger"I reckon that Toulose and Widnes are the obvious choices and will probably get in next time around with a Scottish team being shoed in, in 2015.
it would also make it impossible for the National Press to regionalise and marginalise our game thus giving the sport the coverage it deserves.
Thoughts?'"
i think a scottish team would need to be put in the championship by 2011 to get a SL club there in 2015. They need at least 5 years in semi-pro/pro structure before they can be considered.
which city would suit a scottish SL team more? glasgow or edinburgh? glasgow would have a much bigger catchment area but is obsessed by football and it would be tough to crack that
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| Quote ="littlerich"They're bricking it because of the scary prospect that they'll win knack all and therefore bar themselves from even applying.
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That's very true, but it's important to us all though isn't it?
Quote ="littlerich"As for our finanaces - he hasn't a clue - neither do i but they're certainly getting the backing from somewhere. Our crowds have increased only slightly and that is worrying. Success on the field hopefully will bring this number up to Widnes' level. Like i said in an earlier post on this thread, if Halifax (or another team) dominate the Championship over the next three years then it will be hard for the RFL to knock back a licence - no matter how much Mr O'Connor may bleat (if it isn't Widnes).'"
No it won't, Littlerich. It'll be very easy to refuse who they like.
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| Quote ="Pepe"That's very true, but it's important to us all though isn't it?
No it won't, Littlerich. It'll be very easy to refuse who they like.'"
Are you suggesting foul play by the RFL sir?
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| IF BEING IN SUPER LEAGUE IS ONLY ABOUT TV DEALS AND SPONSORSHIPS YOU CAN STICK IT UP YOUR A**E
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| Quote ="stew88_RL"i think a scottish team would need to be put in the championship by 2011 to get a SL club there in 2015. They need at least 5 years in semi-pro/pro structure before they can be considered.
which city would suit a scottish SL team more? glasgow or edinburgh? glasgow would have a much bigger catchment area but is obsessed by football and it would be tough to crack that'"
Scottish AND Irish teams into the championship, but there is little point in them even considering putting teams into SL, yet.
The championship already has some good stuff adding Irish and Scottish sides will bring more people to RL.
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"IF BEING IN SUPER LEAGUE IS ONLY ABOUT TV DEALS AND SPONSORSHIPS YOU CAN STICK IT UP YOUR A**E'"
Well. there's an alternative view
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| Quote ="littlerich"Are you suggesting foul play by the RFL sir?'"
Neither of us will get a licence for 2012 unless they promote 2 clubs. I doubt that will happen.
The RFL will come up with a reason if they just don't want a club in. They just make up an ambiguous summary about attendances and youth development or whatever they think they'll get away with and put in who they want regardless. Toulouse will probably see us both off in 2011.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Well. there's an alternative view
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yeah f**k em if all they want is to forge out new teams from nowhere just for commercial reasons. im having enough fun in the championship
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| Quote ="Pepe"Neither of us will get a licence for 2012 unless they promote 2 clubs. I doubt that will happen.
The RFL will come up with a reason if they just don't want a club in. They just make up an ambiguous summary about attendances and youth development or whatever they think they'll get away with and put in who they want regardless. Toulouse will probably see us both off in 2011.'"
Maybe, maybe not. I just think (and it may not even happen) that if one team were to win the GF thrice and a couple of cup comps then this will be enough to get a ticket. Toulouse have still got to stand up and be counted in terms of 2012. Everyone seems to think they're a shoe in. They didn't get one in the last round because they weren't deemed to be ready. They still have to make themselves ready during the next two years.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Maybe, maybe not. I just think (and it may not even happen) that if one team were to win the GF thrice and a couple of cup comps then this will be enough to get a ticket. Toulouse have still got to stand up and be counted in terms of 2012. Everyone seems to think they're a shoe in. They didn't get one in the last round because they weren't deemed to be ready. They still have to make themselves ready during the next two years.'"
Winning the NFP/NL1 and now the Championship wasn't even a guarantee of promotion before the licence era, no matter how many times you won it.
Halifax have a lot of work to do with their attendances and particularly their youth development. Unless these areas are sorted very soon, that's where they'll get knocked back. Even if Halifax do put these areas right, it may be too late or not enough to satisfy over critical eyes at the RFL.
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| If I'm honest I can see Celtic Crusaders leaving next time round.
A poor first season will alienate the Welsh crowds, there will be no real progress in converting grass roots to the game, and their money man will lose interest.
Much the same as happened in various other top-down expansions; Gateshead, Paris, London etc.
I'd like to see Toulouse replace them.
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| Quote ="Pepe"particularly their youth development.'"
Piece of p[iis[/is this one mate. In recent years we had an U21's team which dominated the crap out of the competition. There is a lot of talent locally for us to draw upon when we re-introduce the reserve squad next year.
We have to address the poor attendances but if Huddersfield can do it - so can we
Three years is a long time for a club to pull up it's bootstraps and conversely, to cock it all up big style. We are at least currently making sure we are doing the former. The first hurdle is to win something. This is what we are setting out to do this season.
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| Quote ="declaration"If I'm honest I can see Celtic Crusaders leaving next time round.
A poor first season will alienate the Welsh crowds, there will be no real progress in converting grass roots to the game, and their money man will lose interest.
Much the same as happened in various other top-down expansions; Gateshead, Paris, London etc.
I'd like to see Toulouse replace them.'"
sensible point.it amazes me how many people on here seem to assume that inventing a scottish/irish/portugese/etc team will simply turn up and be sustainable
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"sensible point.it amazes me how many people on here seem to assume that inventing a scottish/irish/portugese/etc team will simply turn up and be sustainable'"
No chance, id love to see an Irish side but i know that it will take a lot of amateur work first to get people into the game and a lot of work in the community to get people to watch.
Football might get big attendances in England and be the most popular sport, but our Irish league equivelant has pretty poor attendances and very little money. Rugby league would be a viable summer sport here and after a few years an Irish RL team should be able to draw reasonable crowds and dig into a range of athletes.
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celtic are the safest team of the lot..up there with wigan,leeds etc...
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| Quote ="littlerich"Piece of p[iis[/is this one mate. In recent years we had an U21's team which dominated the crap out of the competition. There is a lot of talent locally for us to draw upon when we re-introduce the reserve squad next year.'"
How many are currently in your squad?
Reintroducing it a year before the licence decisions is a gamble that may not pay off. Plus still no 18's academy? No Foundation academy? The RFL may not take that as a serious long term attitude and rewarding that would just encourage all lower division clubs to sack off their academies and reserve sides until the licence reviews are in play again.
Quote ="littlerich"We have to address the poor attendances but if Huddersfield can do it - so can we
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Good luck with that, your team certainly deserve it at the moment.
Quote ="littlerich"Three years is a long time for a club to pull up it's bootstraps and conversely, to cock it all up big style. We are at least currently making sure we are doing the former. The first hurdle is to win something. This is what we are setting out to do this season.'"
Of course.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"icon_lol.gif
celtic are the safest team of the lot..up there with wigan,leeds etc...'"
yeah i guess its due to their impressive history
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| dear me! i left this thread thios afternoon with sensible arguments and reasoned thought.
i've come back to find slanging matches and insults
god bless you all
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| Quote ="Catalancs"dear me! i left this thread thios afternoon with sensible arguments and reasoned thought.
i've come back to find slanging matches and insults
god bless you all
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This thread was started by Albert the Phallus and, therefore, could never be described as having 'sensible arguments and reasoned thought.' It was always going to be a slanging match. That's how he likes it.
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| Quote ="Pepe"This thread was started by Albert the Phallus and, therefore, could never be described as having 'sensible arguments and reasoned thought.' It was always going to be a slanging match. That's how he likes it.'"
once his 'outdoors time' was over it turned into a decent thread.
albert, dally and damo-leeds should do the club circuit.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"albert, dally and damo-leeds should do the club circuit.'"
................ or should just be clubbed.
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| Quote ="littlerich"................ or should just be clubbed.'"
but after the act!
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| Quote ="classycas2009"I fully agree with what you have just said.
I only fear that if we all meet critia then they still pick and choose who they like, theres going to be some unhappy people and wouldnt be a fair.'"
It isn't a "yes" or "no" case though, is it? If someone meets the criteria in more of a way than someone else, then they are in a better position for a franchise. Not everyone will have the same case, even if they all meet the minimum criteria. The RFL will pick and choose the best applications, not just ones that meet the criteria.
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| Quote ="tb"It is, isn't it.
So why do people still bite?'"
It is not a question of "biting" old chap. I have started a serious thread that people are interested in participating in -- even if most of them didn't answer my specific question. 200 postings and 14 pages tells you that RL fans are interested in the subject.
Sometimes I am having a laugh, and sometimes I am very serious. This thread is an example of the latter. Pity you can't tell the difference.
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"IF BEING IN SUPER LEAGUE IS ONLY ABOUT TV DEALS AND SPONSORSHIPS YOU CAN STICK IT UP YOUR A**E'"
Do you mean to suggest you'd be happy seeing RL fall behnd other sports financially and lack the means to hold onto its' best players?
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